Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by George R Smit » Tue, 09 Mar 1999 04:00:00



I would like to try and resolve a small problem I am having when using
SE and Modeler.
I have an assembly drawing and I bring in sub assemblies created using
the assembly tool box. This is fine, however if I position the
sub-assembly and then want to move it later I cannot find a way of
moving the parts in the sub-assembly as a group. If I use the manipulate
feature tool only one part is selected for work. If I use the standard
move tool in the main toolbox everything in the file is selected. To
move each part singly is very time consuming and probably the wrong
technique. I may be tackling this completely the wrong way but I would
like to know if there is anything else I can do.

Thanks

George Smith

H.W.U.
Scotland

 
 
 

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by Keith Lauri » Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Possibly you should try creating Graphic Groups of the sub assemblies. Then
by toggling GG on or off, you can either move the items singly or all
together (as one single unit).

Create Graphic Group is found in the same tool bar as Break, and only works
when the GG lock is on.


>I would like to try and resolve a small problem I am having when using
>SE and Modeler.
>I have an assembly drawing and I bring in sub assemblies created using
>the assembly tool box. This is fine, however if I position the
>sub-assembly and then want to move it later I cannot find a way of
>moving the parts in the sub-assembly as a group. If I use the manipulate
>feature tool only one part is selected for work. If I use the standard
>move tool in the main toolbox everything in the file is selected. To
>move each part singly is very time consuming and probably the wrong
>technique. I may be tackling this completely the wrong way but I would
>like to know if there is anything else I can do.

>Thanks

>George Smith

>H.W.U.
>Scotland


 
 
 

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by George R Smit » Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Keith

Thanks for your reply. I have played around with the graphic groups as you
mentioned and this works fine on all the solids until I then create them as
parts using the assembly toolbar. The graphic groups tools then do not appear
to operate in the way I had hoped and I suspect it is something to do with
attaching these separate sub-assemblies to the same face or datum point. I have
now tried positioning separate datum nodes (from the manipulate feature
toolbar) for each sub-assembly and this allows me to attach and then move and
rotate each sub-assembly as a group without too much trouble. This is probably
not the recommended route but it will dig me out of a hole for now.

Thanks again for your help

George Smith


> Possibly you should try creating Graphic Groups of the sub assemblies. Then
> by toggling GG on or off, you can either move the items singly or all
> together (as one single unit).

> Create Graphic Group is found in the same tool bar as Break, and only works
> when the GG lock is on.

 
 
 

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by Bentl » Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:00:00


George,

If you define an assembly as a part, thus making it a sub-assembly, you can
bring that sub-assembly into other assemblies as a single component. You can
also move it as an individual component. I'm slightly confused by your
message below because you refer to the Manipulate Feature tool. In
MicroStation Modeler SE there is a Manipulate Joint tool in the Assembly
tools and there is also a Manipulate Feature tool frame which contains
several feature tools. To my knowledge, there was no Manipulate Feature
tool.

The assembly tool, Manipulate Joint, enables you to manipulate a single
assembly or sub-assembly component within its range of motion. This tool is
useful if, for example, you need to rotate a part about a pivot point to
align it with another component.

For general repositioning of parts and sub-assemblies you can use the Move
Feature tool in the Manipulate Feature tool frame (Do not confuse this with
the general MicroStation Move Element tool which would grab the entire
assembly). The Move Feature tool can grab an individual assembly part or
sub-assembly and move it to another position in the assembly file.

Regards,

Mike Evans
Project Engineer, Manufacturing Engineering Products
Bentley Systems, Incorporated
www.bentley.com

"One of the people behind MicroStation Modeler"


> I would like to try and resolve a small problem I am having when using
> SE and Modeler.
> I have an assembly drawing and I bring in sub assemblies created using
> the assembly tool box. This is fine, however if I position the
> sub-assembly and then want to move it later I cannot find a way of
> moving the parts in the sub-assembly as a group. If I use the manipulate
> feature tool only one part is selected for work. If I use the standard
> move tool in the main toolbox everything in the file is selected. To
> move each part singly is very time consuming and probably the wrong
> technique. I may be tackling this completely the wrong way but I would
> like to know if there is anything else I can do.

> Thanks

> George Smith

> H.W.U.
> Scotland

 
 
 

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by George R Smit » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Mike,
Thanks for your reply. You are correct. I should have said Manipulate
Feature Toolframe with various tools in it.
I still cannot get this sub assembly thing to work as it should though.
Here is what I am doing.
I create 3 components and then turn them individually into parts using
the Assembly Toolframe (Create Part).  I then save each part to its own
external part file(Export Part).
I open a new file which I call AssemblyXXX and place a Datum Node from
the Manipulate Feature Toolframe. I then attach my 1st part to the datum
node and then attach the other 2 parts to the 1st.
Then I use the Create Part tool and click one of the parts on my drawing
and all the parts highlight and I make this now a part file which I call
SubassemblyXXX and export it to an external part file and here is the
problem. If I later bring in say 2 of these SubassemblyXXXs in to the
assembly I cannot move each one as a unit. Only the individual part
selected making up a bit of the subassembly highlights as if it is not
connected to the rest. I am sorry if this is not too clear but if you
need any more info on this let me know.
Thanks again for your reply

George Smith


> George,

> If you define an assembly as a part, thus making it a sub-assembly,
> you can bring that sub-assembly into other assemblies as a single
> component. You can also move it as an individual component. I'm
> slightly confused by your message below because you refer to the
> Manipulate Feature tool. In MicroStation Modeler SE there is a
> Manipulate Joint tool in the Assembly tools and there is also a
> Manipulate Feature tool frame which contains several feature tools. To
> my knowledge, there was no Manipulate Feature tool.

> The assembly tool, Manipulate Joint, enables you to manipulate a
> single assembly or sub-assembly component within its range of motion.
> This tool is useful if, for example, you need to rotate a part about a
> pivot point to align it with another component.

> For general repositioning of parts and sub-assemblies you can use the
> Move Feature tool in the Manipulate Feature tool frame (Do not confuse
> this with the general MicroStation Move Element tool which would grab
> the entire assembly). The Move Feature tool can grab an individual
> assembly part or sub-assembly and move it to another position in the
> assembly file.

> Regards,

> Mike Evans
> Project Engineer, Manufacturing Engineering Products
> Bentley Systems, Incorporated
> www.bentley.com

> "One of the people behind MicroStation Modeler"


>> I would like to try and resolve a small problem I am having when
>> using
>> SE and Modeler.
>> I have an assembly drawing and I bring in sub assemblies created
>> using
>> the assembly tool box. This is fine, however if I position the
>> sub-assembly and then want to move it later I cannot find a way of
>> moving the parts in the sub-assembly as a group. If I use the
>> manipulate
>> feature tool only one part is selected for work. If I use the
>> standard
>> move tool in the main toolbox everything in the file is selected. To

>> move each part singly is very time consuming and probably the wrong
>> technique. I may be tackling this completely the wrong way but I
>> would
>> like to know if there is anything else I can do.

>> Thanks

>> George Smith

>> H.W.U.
>> Scotland

 
 
 

Repositioning assembly parts in Modeler

Post by George R Smit » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Hello again Mike
I have just been fiddling about with this subassembly I mentioned to you
and stumbled across the fact that if I select the datum node instead of
a component of the subassembly it all appears to work. I can manipulate
each subassembly as a unit using the Manipulate Feature Toolframe. Is
this correct?

George Smith


> Mike,
> Thanks for your reply. You are correct. I should have said Manipulate
> Feature Toolframe with various tools in it.
> I still cannot get this sub assembly thing to work as it should
> though. Here is what I am doing.
> I create 3 components and then turn them individually into parts using
> the Assembly Toolframe (Create Part).  I then save each part to its
> own external part file(Export Part).
> I open a new file which I call AssemblyXXX and place a Datum Node from
> the Manipulate Feature Toolframe. I then attach my 1st part to the
> datum node and then attach the other 2 parts to the 1st.
> Then I use the Create Part tool and click one of the parts on my
> drawing and all the parts highlight and I make this now a part file
> which I call SubassemblyXXX and export it to an external part file and
> here is the problem. If I later bring in say 2 of these
> SubassemblyXXXs in to the assembly I cannot move each one as a unit.
> Only the individual part selected making up a bit of the subassembly
> highlights as if it is not connected to the rest. I am sorry if this
> is not too clear but if you need any more info on this let me know.
> Thanks again for your reply

> George Smith


>> George,

>> If you define an assembly as a part, thus making it a sub-assembly,
>> you can bring that sub-assembly into other assemblies as a single
>> component. You can also move it as an individual component. I'm
>> slightly confused by your message below because you refer to the
>> Manipulate Feature tool. In MicroStation Modeler SE there is a
>> Manipulate Joint tool in the Assembly tools and there is also a
>> Manipulate Feature tool frame which contains several feature tools.
>> To my knowledge, there was no Manipulate Feature tool.

>> The assembly tool, Manipulate Joint, enables you to manipulate a
>> single assembly or sub-assembly component within its range of
>> motion. This tool is useful if, for example, you need to rotate a
>> part about a pivot point to align it with another component.

>> For general repositioning of parts and sub-assemblies you can use
>> the Move Feature tool in the Manipulate Feature tool frame (Do not
>> confuse this with the general MicroStation Move Element tool which
>> would grab the entire assembly). The Move Feature tool can grab an
>> individual assembly part or sub-assembly and move it to another
>> position in the assembly file.

>> Regards,

>> Mike Evans
>> Project Engineer, Manufacturing Engineering Products
>> Bentley Systems, Incorporated
>> www.bentley.com

>> "One of the people behind MicroStation Modeler"


>> > I would like to try and resolve a small problem I am having when
>> > using
>> > SE and Modeler.
>> > I have an assembly drawing and I bring in sub assemblies created
>> > using
>> > the assembly tool box. This is fine, however if I position the
>> > sub-assembly and then want to move it later I cannot find a way of
>> > moving the parts in the sub-assembly as a group. If I use the
>> > manipulate
>> > feature tool only one part is selected for work. If I use the
>> > standard
>> > move tool in the main toolbox everything in the file is selected.
>> > To
>> > move each part singly is very time consuming and probably the wrong

>> > technique. I may be tackling this completely the wrong way but I
>> > would
>> > like to know if there is anything else I can do.

>> > Thanks

>> > George Smith

>> > H.W.U.
>> > Scotland