I am a South African. A company in the US has debited my credit card and
does not respond to my enquiries (four to date) to fix or re-instate my
P.O. Box 127
Moraga, CA 94556
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
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1. Moderator's Response to Response to His Response to Anonymous
There's only two sites in the envelope of a normal message: the
sender's and the recipients. (If there are multiple recipients, the
envelope might -- or might not -- contain all of them, depending on
the mail transfer agent involved.) Or, perhaps, PAT has got his
terminology wrong. The "envelope" of a message refers to the
addresses named in the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands of the SMTP
session, which indicate precisely which of the (possibly numerous)
senders and recipients are being handled in this instantiation of the
message. This is separate and distinct from any fields in the message
itself, although some mail software (notably sendmail) tries to be
helpful by writing extra headers giving this information.
Ok, <site2> is now [188.8.131.52]. Oops. This doesn't tell you
anything, because 184.108.40.206 is a terminal server. No logs, no
Or how about this one ... <site2> is now tsornin.emba.uvm.edu. I'm in
a mean mood, so I simply refuse to respond to mail from PAT. Oops.
No tracing here, either.
Or how about this one ... <site2> is now [220.127.116.11]. Oops. This
is a PC running PC-NFS. Dean Pinder or his secretary probably
wouldn't have the foggiest idea what to with your message, so it gets
sent to this office, and we respond that there is nothing we can do.
At this point, if you are really persistent, you look up `net 132.198'
in the WHOIS database. Whoops, back to the same people. OK, try `dom
uvm.edu'. "Oh, that's an EMBA subnet, talk to <the same people>."
Or even better, "I don't know who you are, Mr. Townson, but I don't
have time for this. If you have any further problems, send <someone
else> E-mail and he'll look into it. Maybe."
finger: connection timed out.
Aren't firewalls fun?
Especially if it's the administrators of `real.host.dom.ain' who wish
to be anonymous.
uvm-gen!wollman UVM disagrees.
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