VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Leszek Romanowsk » Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:19:16



Hubert,
Have you tried TegaWeb Express? I've just downloaded a demo and it works
amazingly well. I also converted one of my applications (a very simple and
rapid task even though the application is fairly large and complex) and it
runs very smoothly. I think it's at least worth trying.

By the way - a word of warning. I have been running my applications across
phone lines and internet using Citrix Metaframe. Works very well but is very
expensive. I've come across number of people who have absolutely no doubts
about the Metaframe technical excellency but are not prepared to spend many
thousands of dollars in license costs. Apart from that, to run Citrix
Metaframe, you need NT Terminal Server which is not a very common OS. This
in turn usually means an additional investment for a customer (dedicated
hardware and NT TS licensest). Therefore, if TegaWeb is going to behave as
well as it does in testing, I personnaly will consider ditching Metaframe
alltogether.

Cheers, Leszek


Quote:> Hello VO'ers,

> I need to make a VO program, which should run on a server and be
accessible
> simultaniously by different remote users over an internet connection as
well
> as by some local users.
> As I have no experience with this, can you give me some advise as how to
> tackel such project.

> Thanks in advance

> Hubert Jans

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by José Zouai » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:27:43


Do you have a web address for TegaWeb Express.
I if you do can you post it here.

Thanks

Jos Zouain
Zeta Concepts, Inc.

Zeta Pro - Inventory Control Accounting System
www.zetaconcepts.com

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Hubert Jan » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:20:34


Jos,

Check:  http://www.tegoweb.com/
I am in the process of testing it.

Hubert Jans



Quote:> Do you have a web address for TegaWeb Express.
> I if you do can you post it here.

> Thanks

> Jos Zouain
> Zeta Concepts, Inc.

> Zeta Pro - Inventory Control Accounting System
> www.zetaconcepts.com

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by draglin.. » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:29:36


Hubert, you might also check out www.wintonet.com.  Cheaper than Citrix
and does not require NT.  Same principle though.  You write your app
and run in on a server.  The client runs it as if local.

Cheers,
Tom Galczynski

Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Phil McGuinnes » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 05:53:47


Yes this product is amazing and allows an existing VO application with no
code changes to be processed by this tool to create a runtime environment
whereby your VO application can run over the internet.

That is your VO application appears in a browser and just like you design it
with no HTML etc.

I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

Phil McGuinness


> Hubert,
> Have you tried TegaWeb Express? I've just downloaded a demo and it works
> amazingly well. I also converted one of my applications (a very simple and
> rapid task even though the application is fairly large and complex) and it
> runs very smoothly. I think it's at least worth trying.

> By the way - a word of warning. I have been running my applications across
> phone lines and internet using Citrix Metaframe. Works very well but is
very
> expensive. I've come across number of people who have absolutely no doubts
> about the Metaframe technical excellency but are not prepared to spend
many
> thousands of dollars in license costs. Apart from that, to run Citrix
> Metaframe, you need NT Terminal Server which is not a very common OS. This
> in turn usually means an additional investment for a customer (dedicated
> hardware and NT TS licensest). Therefore, if TegaWeb is going to behave as
> well as it does in testing, I personnaly will consider ditching Metaframe
> alltogether.

> Cheers, Leszek



> > Hello VO'ers,

> > I need to make a VO program, which should run on a server and be
> accessible
> > simultaniously by different remote users over an internet connection as
> well
> > as by some local users.
> > As I have no experience with this, can you give me some advise as how to
> > tackel such project.

> > Thanks in advance

> > Hubert Jans

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Jamal » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:31:26


Phil,

Can Tegoweb run on a shared hosting server, i.e. on ISP server, or does it
need a dedicated server?

Regards,
Jamal Assaf


> Yes this product is amazing and allows an existing VO application with no
> code changes to be processed by this tool to create a runtime environment
> whereby your VO application can run over the internet.

> That is your VO application appears in a browser and just like you design
it
> with no HTML etc.

> I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

> Phil McGuinness



> > Hubert,
> > Have you tried TegaWeb Express? I've just downloaded a demo and it works
> > amazingly well. I also converted one of my applications (a very simple
and
> > rapid task even though the application is fairly large and complex) and
it
> > runs very smoothly. I think it's at least worth trying.

> > By the way - a word of warning. I have been running my applications
across
> > phone lines and internet using Citrix Metaframe. Works very well but is
> very
> > expensive. I've come across number of people who have absolutely no
doubts
> > about the Metaframe technical excellency but are not prepared to spend
> many
> > thousands of dollars in license costs. Apart from that, to run Citrix
> > Metaframe, you need NT Terminal Server which is not a very common OS.
This
> > in turn usually means an additional investment for a customer (dedicated
> > hardware and NT TS licensest). Therefore, if TegaWeb is going to behave
as
> > well as it does in testing, I personnaly will consider ditching
Metaframe
> > alltogether.

> > Cheers, Leszek



> > > Hello VO'ers,

> > > I need to make a VO program, which should run on a server and be
> > accessible
> > > simultaniously by different remote users over an internet connection
as
> > well
> > > as by some local users.
> > > As I have no experience with this, can you give me some advise as how
to
> > > tackel such project.

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Hubert Jans

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Phil McGuinnes » Sun, 11 Feb 2001 07:53:41


It does not matter..

It essentially only wraps the VO runtime DLLS into a runtime engine with
some code on the front end to be available from a browser.

Phil McGuinness
-----------------------


> Phil,

> Can Tegoweb run on a shared hosting server, i.e. on ISP server, or does it
> need a dedicated server?

> Regards,
> Jamal Assaf



> > Yes this product is amazing and allows an existing VO application with
no
> > code changes to be processed by this tool to create a runtime
environment
> > whereby your VO application can run over the internet.

> > That is your VO application appears in a browser and just like you
design
> it
> > with no HTML etc.

> > I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

> > Phil McGuinness



> > > Hubert,
> > > Have you tried TegaWeb Express? I've just downloaded a demo and it
works
> > > amazingly well. I also converted one of my applications (a very simple
> and
> > > rapid task even though the application is fairly large and complex)
and
> it
> > > runs very smoothly. I think it's at least worth trying.

> > > By the way - a word of warning. I have been running my applications
> across
> > > phone lines and internet using Citrix Metaframe. Works very well but
is
> > very
> > > expensive. I've come across number of people who have absolutely no
> doubts
> > > about the Metaframe technical excellency but are not prepared to spend
> > many
> > > thousands of dollars in license costs. Apart from that, to run Citrix
> > > Metaframe, you need NT Terminal Server which is not a very common OS.
> This
> > > in turn usually means an additional investment for a customer
(dedicated
> > > hardware and NT TS licensest). Therefore, if TegaWeb is going to
behave
> as
> > > well as it does in testing, I personnaly will consider ditching
> Metaframe
> > > alltogether.

> > > Cheers, Leszek



> > > > Hello VO'ers,

> > > > I need to make a VO program, which should run on a server and be
> > > accessible
> > > > simultaniously by different remote users over an internet connection
> as
> > > well
> > > > as by some local users.
> > > > As I have no experience with this, can you give me some advise as
how
> to
> > > > tackel such project.

> > > > Thanks in advance

> > > > Hubert Jans

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Leszek Romanowsk » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:51:53


Quote:

> I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

Phil,

How would you handle a need to print reports on client's printer when the
application runs in a browser?

Leszek

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Phil McGuinnes » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:30:12


Default Printer.. I guess.....

The program is running on your system with a modified runtime environment
and therefore system information should be available.

Phil McGuinness
-----------------------


Quote:

> > I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

> Phil,

> How would you handle a need to print reports on client's printer when the
> application runs in a browser?

> Leszek

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Gary Star » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:35:01


Leszek

Your browser has print functionality, has it not ?


> > I have been using it for 2 years now but not commercial yet.

> Phil,

> How would you handle a need to print reports on client's printer when the
> application runs in a browser?

> Leszek

--
g.
Gary Stark

http://RedbacksWeb.com
 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Leszek Romanowsk » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:23:33


Gary,

I am talking about printing a report generated by the VO application being
run within a browser. Since the application effectively runs on the server,
the server does not know anything about client's printers. Browser's print
functionality is of no help because all it does is sending the WEB page to
the printer..... or am I missing something?

Cheers, Leszek

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Leszek Romanowsk » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:26:04


Quote:> Default Printer.. I guess.....

> The program is running on your system with a modified runtime environment
> and therefore system information should be available.

How and where? (I have an unpleasant feeling that I am missing something
fundamental)

Leszek

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Gary Star » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:09:19


Leszek,


> Gary,

> I am talking about printing a report generated by the VO application being
> run within a browser. Since the application effectively runs on the server,
> the server does not know anything about client's printers. Browser's print

It doesn't need to. The application, running on the server, is sending your
browser ....

... what ???

A web page, right ? What else does your browser see?

Quote:> functionality is of no help because all it does is sending the WEB page to
> the printer..... or am I missing something?

That's exactly the point. Are you not seeing a web page ?

--
g.
Gary Stark

http://RedbacksWeb.com

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Stephen Quin » Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:28:49


Leszek

If the user is viewing a webpage the printers etc.. are relative to his/her
enviromment - ie the browser is running on the client machine.

--
HTH
Steve Quinn
Accept than some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue.
There is no right way to do the wrong thing.
To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.
                -- Thomas Edison

 
 
 

VO application, accessible over internet. Where to start ?

Post by Tom Wo » Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:46:51


I don't have an answer but he is my perseption of your problem (in my terms).

1) your application is running on the server
2) the client, in his web browser sees a data window some SLE, comboboxes, or
whatever and a print button
3) the client "presses" the print button for a generated report (not necessary
with these mechanisms but you get the idea)

---

You want the server to generate the report and send it to the client so his
printer can print out the report. Correct?

As I said I don't know the correct answer but I think you are going to have to
generate a web page and let the client's browser print it (and not the report
directly).

Thomas Wood - Programmer
Columbia, Pennsylvania
(717) 615-2215

 
 
 

1. Internet VO Applications

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We have developed a few VO based Web Sites.  Our latest offering is for our
largest customer, but they cannot access it

The problem is not directly VO related, but to the way in which IE5 handles
URLs containing EXEs.

The EXEs are entirely server based. There is no special client side
processing. I wondered if anyone else had encountered a similar situation.

The following is a matrix of the working / no working configurations: -

            Browser                    URL contains                   URL
contains                Form contains
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an EXE call                  an EXE action

                IE4                             Ok
Ok                                 Ok
                IE5                             Ok
Fails                               Ok

As can be seen, the failure only occurs when an EXE is included in the URL
when using IE5.

In these circumstances, IE5 appears to send some additional information to
the customer's ISP (Edex, a UK company).

This in turn prompts ISP's server to respond with a reference to its
Net-Cache and a time stamp.

This message is sent back to the browser before the page is returned.

When a normal page is returned, this message appears at the top of the page,
but when a frameset page is returned, the presence of this text causes the
browser to stall.

Regards

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