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Quote:(Mike Iglesias) writes:

If you have a WWW browser, start with:

        http://www.service.digital.com/html/patch_service.html

There is a license agreement here which you agree to if you access these
patches.  This also lets you use a search engine to locate patches more
easily.

The patches themselves are in the tree under:

        ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public

Some patches are not available in the public directory because of "licensing,
export or business reasons".
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Quote:>  University of California, Irvine     phone:       (714) 824-6926
>  Office of Academic Computing         FAX:         (714) 824-2069
>  Central Computing Support        

The US CSC has their patches on their Web server:
        http://www.service.digital.com

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Rod Upton            
Illawarra Electricity


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ftp.service.digital.com ; start with the /pub/ directory; e.g.,
for OpenVMS AXP V6.1:

  /pub/vms/axp/v6.1

--Jerry,

 Dynamic Matrix Control Corporation                (my opinions are my own)

Looks like the lawyers sure castrated this one.  Perhaps they could
take a look at the top 100 or so lines of
http://sunsite.unc.edu/sun/inform/patches.html to see how Sun covers
it's legal behind.

Drew
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Jeff Katcher

I will admit that there are a lot of patches available for VMS, for most
flavors of OS release/hardware platform (VAX vs. AXP).

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Quote:(Andrew Gallatin) writes:

On what do you base this statement?  I found over 200 VMS, OSF and ULTRIX
patches.  Are you saying that there are some 9800 patches not available?
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For information on DEC Fortran 90, see http://www.digital.com/info/hpc/f90/

ftp to ftp.service.digital.com and poke around in the Digital Unix
patches..  Notice that there are lots of directories undereath an OS
corresponding to different version numbers of the OS.  Notice further
that the many of the patches are links to other files in the same tree
where the patches really exist.  For example:

ncftp> ls -l pub/osf/v3.2/osfsendmail_e01032.tar

So how many are there?

         8

(in case anybody is wondering, all the OSF/1 patches seem to be tar files).
Ok, so how many readmes are there?

ncftp> ls -l patches/Readmes/osf | wc -l
       432

Hmm.. I *thought* I was exaggerating, but it looks like a 98%
unavailable rate was a pretty good guess (8/424 ~= 98%)!
Well, I suppose I'm not being fair.  Since there are some duplicates,
we should really pick them out:

ncftp> ls -l patches/Readmes/osf | cut -d_ -f 4- readmes | sort | uniq | wc -l
       230

This isn't much better  (222/230 ~=) 96% unavailable.

Risc Ultrix seems to be even worse..  A grand total of one available patch
and 271 readmes.  Vax Ultrix is a little better, 2 patches for 154
readmes.

On the plus side, it looks like there *are* lots of VMS patches.
However, this doesn't do me much good, as I manage Digital Unix and
Ultrix systems.

Perhaps the unix end of things isn't finished?

Drew

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Quote:(Mike Iglesias) writes:
>Of the 3 or 4 OSF versions I checked, there were no more than 4
>patches available.  I guess I was expecting something more along the lines
>of what I can get from Sun...

Seriously, the only way to make a valid comparison is to see how many
patches are available to contract customers which are NOT available
through the public area.  I did a rough count and I got something like
219 in the contract area to 214 in the public area (my methodology might
be suspect - I am going by the READMEs which supposedly cover all of the
available patches).

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: Yeah, looks like about 98% of them aren't availabile.  After making
: this big announcement about freely available patches, this is a pretty
: weak follow-through.  How is it that Sun and HP can put many of their
: patches up on the net for free but Digital can only put up a handful?

HP has a good selection, usually bundled into their so-called "Mega Patch"
which frequently contains things like a whole new C compiler or X server.
SUN however doesn't have the anything like a full set available unless you
are a support customer.

-Ron

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Nashua, NH 03062-2698             "Free advice is worth every cent"

For information on DEC Fortran 90, see http://www.digital.com/info/hpc/f90/