Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tedd » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00



I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
anything like this.

at:
http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

The image code reads like:

BACKGROUND IMAGES

<body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
vlink="#CCCCCC">

DOCUMENT IMAGES

<td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432" height="49"><br>
                      <a href="default.htm">
                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif" width="432"
height="275"></a></td>
                  </tr>

NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the following:

BACKGROUND IMAGES

<BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
vLink=#cccccc>

DOCUMENT IMAGES

<TD><IMG border=0 height=49
                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG border=0
                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
        <TR>

NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

Any insights are appreciated.

TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tom Peppe » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00


It appears the online version of the web has invalid paths for the images.
They are not pulling from the images directory.

--

Tom Pepper
Web Mangler & Director of Marketing
Sharp Communication, Inc. - Huntsville, Alabama
--


>I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
>anything like this.

>at:
>http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

>The image code reads like:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
>vlink="#CCCCCC">

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432" height="49"><br>
>                      <a href="default.htm">
>                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif" width="432"
>height="275"></a></td>
>                  </tr>

>NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

>However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the following:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
>vLink=#cccccc>

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
>                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
>                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
border=0
>                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

>width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
>        <TR>

>NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

>Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

>I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
>images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
>which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

>Any insights are appreciated.

>TEd


 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Nate Coff » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Teddy,

Your web page has been a victim of AOLs "idea" of what the internet
should be.  There is quite a bit of processing going on in their
servers that changes what you web page is made of and how it looks.

You might be able to get some useful information from this site:
http://webmaster.info.aol.com/

But, since they wrote it dont forget they probably will slant it to
make it look like it's your fault.   The bottom line though is that
AOL users are going to see a modified version of your web site.   How
much effort you put into making it look good is up to you.

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:47:37 -0500, "Teddy"


>I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
>anything like this.

>at:
>http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

>The image code reads like:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
>vlink="#CCCCCC">

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432" height="49"><br>
>                      <a href="default.htm">
>                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif" width="432"
>height="275"></a></td>
>                  </tr>

>NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

>However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the following:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
>vLink=#cccccc>

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
>                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
>                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG border=0
>                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

>width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
>        <TR>

>NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

>Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

>I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
>images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
>which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

>Any insights are appreciated.

>TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tedd » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Tom, if you look at the first sample of code (the actual code) the paths are
correct and it is pulling from the porper directory. In the second set of
coding (aol isp), it is all screwed up. That is a problem I have never
encountered before, and I have developed 25+ websites.

That is what is so confusing. AOL has converted the .gif images to .art
images. Anyone have any ideas?

TEd

> It appears the online version of the web has invalid paths for the images.
> They are not pulling from the images directory.

> --

> Tom Pepper
> Web Mangler & Director of Marketing
> Sharp Communication, Inc. - Huntsville, Alabama
> --


> >I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> >anything like this.

> >at:
> >http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> >The image code reads like:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> >vlink="#CCCCCC">

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
height="49"><br>
> >                      <a href="default.htm">
> >                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif"
width="432"
> >height="275"></a></td>
> >                  </tr>

> >NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> >However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the
following:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
> >vLink=#cccccc>

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
> >                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
> >                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
> border=0
> >                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> >width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
> >        <TR>

> >NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> >Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> >I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
> >images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> >which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> >Any insights are appreciated.

> >TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tedd » Sat, 20 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Nate,

The problem I am having with this is that I have developed 25+ websites and
this has never happened. And, I know AOL screws with how pages look, but I
have never heard of AOL changing image types and paths. I will look into the
link you provided. But, I have a feeling that it is something a little
deeper than that.

This is the first site I am developing while using photoshop 5.5 and image
ready. I think it may have something to do with that.

As far as making it AOL compatible, my client uses aol and there are 19
other million users out there with the same crappy service, so I have to
make it as compatible as possible.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Ted

> Teddy,

> Your web page has been a victim of AOLs "idea" of what the internet
> should be.  There is quite a bit of processing going on in their
> servers that changes what you web page is made of and how it looks.

> You might be able to get some useful information from this site:
> http://webmaster.info.aol.com/

> But, since they wrote it dont forget they probably will slant it to
> make it look like it's your fault.   The bottom line though is that
> AOL users are going to see a modified version of your web site.   How
> much effort you put into making it look good is up to you.

> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:47:37 -0500, "Teddy"

> >I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> >anything like this.

> >at:
> >http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> >The image code reads like:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> >vlink="#CCCCCC">

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
height="49"><br>
> >                      <a href="default.htm">
> >                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif"
width="432"
> >height="275"></a></td>
> >                  </tr>

> >NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> >However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the
following:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
> >vLink=#cccccc>

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
> >                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
> >                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
border=0
> >                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> >width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
> >        <TR>

> >NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> >Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> >I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
> >images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> >which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> >Any insights are appreciated.

> >TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Spooky_Awo » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


I dont get the same problem with ie5 and not using AOL as a provider. All
looks well to me Im afraid.
 All images and paths are correct etc


Quote:> I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> anything like this.

> at:
> http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> The image code reads like:

> BACKGROUND IMAGES

> <body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> vlink="#CCCCCC">

> DOCUMENT IMAGES

> <td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
height="49"><br>
>                       <a href="default.htm">
>                       <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif" width="432"
> height="275"></a></td>
>                   </tr>

> NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the following:

> BACKGROUND IMAGES

> <BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
> vLink=#cccccc>

> DOCUMENT IMAGES

> <TD><IMG border=0 height=49
>                   src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
>                   href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
border=0
>                   height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
>         <TR>

> NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
> images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> Any insights are appreciated.

> TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by ScottM61 » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Have your client go to (in AOL) My AOL, Preferences, WWW, Web Graphics, Uncheck
"Use compressed graphics"

In the General tab, Delete all temporary internet files, clear history. Go to
page, Shift-reload.
--then graphics will - should  display fine.

Leave settings like this.

sm

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Mike Hor » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


aol=internet version of voicemail hell

> Nate,

> The problem I am having with this is that I have developed 25+ websites
and
> this has never happened. And, I know AOL screws with how pages look, but I
> have never heard of AOL changing image types and paths. I will look into
the
> link you provided. But, I have a feeling that it is something a little
> deeper than that.

> This is the first site I am developing while using photoshop 5.5 and image
> ready. I think it may have something to do with that.

> As far as making it AOL compatible, my client uses aol and there are 19
> other million users out there with the same crappy service, so I have to
> make it as compatible as possible.

> Any other suggestions?

> Thanks,

> Ted


> > Teddy,

> > Your web page has been a victim of AOLs "idea" of what the internet
> > should be.  There is quite a bit of processing going on in their
> > servers that changes what you web page is made of and how it looks.

> > You might be able to get some useful information from this site:
> > http://webmaster.info.aol.com/

> > But, since they wrote it dont forget they probably will slant it to
> > make it look like it's your fault.   The bottom line though is that
> > AOL users are going to see a modified version of your web site.   How
> > much effort you put into making it look good is up to you.

> > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:47:37 -0500, "Teddy"

> > >I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> > >anything like this.

> > >at:
> > >http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> > >The image code reads like:

> > >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> > ><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> > >vlink="#CCCCCC">

> > >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> > ><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
> height="49"><br>
> > >                      <a href="default.htm">
> > >                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif"
> width="432"
> > >height="275"></a></td>
> > >                  </tr>

> > >NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> > >However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the
> following:

> > >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> > ><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe
link=#ffffff
> > >vLink=#cccccc>

> > >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> > ><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
> > >                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
> > >                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
> border=0
> > >                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> > >width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
> > >        <TR>

> > >NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> > >Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> > >I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create
the
> > >images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> > >which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> > >Any insights are appreciated.

> > >TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tedd » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Scott,

Thanks for the info.

I am afraid that I cannot have clients go and change their preferences
necessarily, because not every aol person will do this. And, the client will
probably realize that. He/she and I would prefer that they keep the default
settings, so that we know how the site is appearing on aol.

Were you able to view it in aol? And, if so, did you notice anything wrong
with the images?

Thanks,

TEd


Quote:> Have your client go to (in AOL) My AOL, Preferences, WWW, Web Graphics,
Uncheck
> "Use compressed graphics"

> In the General tab, Delete all temporary internet files, clear history. Go
to
> page, Shift-reload.
> --then graphics will - should  display fine.

> Leave settings like this.

> sm

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Tedd » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Thanks Spooky.
Ted

> I dont get the same problem with ie5 and not using AOL as a provider. All
> looks well to me Im afraid.
>  All images and paths are correct etc



> > I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> > anything like this.

> > at:
> > http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> > The image code reads like:

> > BACKGROUND IMAGES

> > <body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> > vlink="#CCCCCC">

> > DOCUMENT IMAGES

> > <td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
> height="49"><br>
> >                       <a href="default.htm">
> >                       <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif"
width="432"
> > height="275"></a></td>
> >                   </tr>

> > NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> > However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the
following:

> > BACKGROUND IMAGES

> > <BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
> > vLink=#cccccc>

> > DOCUMENT IMAGES

> > <TD><IMG border=0 height=49
> >                   src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
> >                   href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
> border=0
> >                   height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> > width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
> >         <TR>

> > NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> > Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> > I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create
the
> > images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> > which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> > Any insights are appreciated.

> > TEd

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by ScottM61 » Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Quote:>Were you able to view it in aol?

Looked fine.

sm

 
 
 

Has Anyone EVER Seen this Before?!?!

Post by Jerry McEwe » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00


I'm not goint to fire up AOL to look at this, but in IE 5, I see
relative path rather than absolute ones.

This really reminds me of what happens when, in IE 5, you choose "Save
web page complete"; it is possible that this is what your client
really did and just shortened his story? hth

On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:47:37 -0500, "Teddy"


>I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
>anything like this.

>at:
>http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

>The image code reads like:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
>vlink="#CCCCCC">

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432" height="49"><br>
>                      <a href="default.htm">
>                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif" width="432"
>height="275"></a></td>
>                  </tr>

>NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

>However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the following:

>BACKGROUND IMAGES

><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
>vLink=#cccccc>

>DOCUMENT IMAGES

><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
>                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
>                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG border=0
>                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

>width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
>        <TR>

>NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

>Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

>I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
>images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
>which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

>Any insights are appreciated.

>TEd

 
 
 

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Post by David Berr » Sat, 11 Dec 1999 04:00:00


IE5.1 (the new version) now has support for the AOL .art format.  Maybe
that's what you're seeing?  Just a wild guess but with AOL you can never
tell.

--
====================================
David Berry - MCP
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
NetSites Design Services http://www.net-sites.com/
FrontPage Support: http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/
====================================


> I'm not goint to fire up AOL to look at this, but in IE 5, I see
> relative path rather than absolute ones.

> This really reminds me of what happens when, in IE 5, you choose "Save
> web page complete"; it is possible that this is what your client
> really did and just shortened his story? hth

> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:47:37 -0500, "Teddy"

> >I am an experienced solutions developer, but have yet to come across
> >anything like this.

> >at:
> >http://www.phoneflies.com/index1.htm

> >The image code reads like:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><body bgcolor="#0096FE" background="images/bkg.gif" link="#FFFFFF"
> >vlink="#CCCCCC">

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><td><img border="0" src="images/topheader.gif" width="432"
height="49"><br>
> >                      <a href="default.htm">
> >                      <img border="0" src="images/frntimg.gif"
width="432"
> >height="275"></a></td>
> >                  </tr>

> >NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL .gif  IMAGES.

> >However, when my client, using AOL isp but IE5 browser gets the
following:

> >BACKGROUND IMAGES

> ><BODY background="New Page 1_files/bkg.gif" bgColor=#0096fe link=#ffffff
> >vLink=#cccccc>

> >DOCUMENT IMAGES

> ><TD><IMG border=0 height=49
> >                  src="New Page 1_files/topheader.art" width=432><BR><A
> >                  href="http://www.phoneflies.com/default.htm"><IMG
border=0
> >                  height=275 src="New Page 1_files/frntimg.art"

> >width=432></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></DIV></TD></TR>
> >        <TR>

> >NOTICE ALL THE DOCUMENT IMAGES ARE .art FILES.

> >Never seen that before. The background image is also 'mis-pathed'

> >I used Photoshop 5.5 and I think, their image ready plug-in to create the
> >images. I said 'I think' because ps 5.5 has a utility to 'save for web'
> >which I use, and not sure if that is the image ready plug-in.

> >Any insights are appreciated.

> >TEd

 
 
 

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Hi there.

I have been looking fro a site with a drop-down menu at top but so far I ve
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Webreference.com has a detailed instructions of how to build one (hiearchical
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What I am looking for is a drop down menu just like the tool bar in Photoshop.
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is there anyone who has seen such a site with the kind of menu I am looking
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