Ethernet Statistics

Ethernet Statistics

Post by Branden DeVrie » Thu, 26 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Can anyone tell me where I can find `rule-of-thumb'
numbers on acceptiable network errors and collision
rates? I have a network that is having performance
problems and I don't hove a baseline to compare it
to. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Branden

 
 
 

Ethernet Statistics

Post by Rich Seifer » Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:00:00



> Can anyone tell me where I can find `rule-of-thumb'
> numbers on acceptiable network errors and collision
> rates? I have a network that is having performance
> problems and I don't hove a baseline to compare it
> to. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Network *errors* (i.e. CRC errors) should be virtually non-existent on any
Ethernet. I have rarely seen more than one per DAY that was not the cause of a
malfunctioning device or improper cable configuration.

Collision rates are a worthless metric. Unless they are exceeding 100%, they
tell you very little about the condition of the network.

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Ethernet Statistics

Post by Andrew Bo » Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:>Network *errors* (i.e. CRC errors) should be virtually non-existent on any
>Ethernet. I have rarely seen more than one per DAY that was not the cause
>of a malfunctioning device or improper cable configuration.

Hiya rich.  I guess it depends on the definition of "malfunctioning
device".

Any transmitter which uses "early transmit" [ie xmission begins
before the entire packet is buffered by the network controller]
is vulnerable to host latency.

If the latency is excessive, the tx fifo runs dry and the poor
nic has no choice but to generate a packet with a bad crc.

Malfunctioning device?  A bit of a theological question.  The
hardware was designed this way, and is functioning as spec'd.

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Post by Bill Bunc » Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:00:00




> > Can anyone tell me where I can find `rule-of-thumb'
> > numbers on acceptiable network errors and collision
> > rates? I have a network that is having performance
> > problems and I don't hove a baseline to compare it
> > to. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

> Network *errors* (i.e. CRC errors) should be virtually non-existent on any
> Ethernet. I have rarely seen more than one per DAY that was not the cause of a
> malfunctioning device or improper cable configuration.

> Collision rates are a worthless metric. Unless they are exceeding 100%, they
> tell you very little about the condition of the network.

Rich,

While this may be true for 10Mb/s Ethernet, I wouldn't set this
expectation for
100Mb/s systems. Even though the BER is lower for 100BASE-TX, you are
sending more
bits in less time and will therefore perceive a 'compression' of errors.
That is,
when observed over an hour instead of a day you may actually be seeing
errors that
are well within the BER specification of the physical layer. In
practice, this
perceived increase in errors is not a problem. Moving toward Gigabit
Ethernet
one would need to scale the BER requirement along with the data rate in
order
to maintain the same expectation. This would not be a good thing for the
technology
since BER is directly related to cost. One of the reasons for this is
that the
BER of the PHY would need to be so high to make the implied guarantees
that it
would take years to actually simulate and test each part to meet the
tighter
specifications without making extrapolations.

I would advise against creating these 'rules of thumb' since they lead
to
dangerous myths and preconceptions. Still, if you must, an acceptable
measure
would be to calculate the BER based on the CRC error count and compare
it to
the standard requirement. This comparison is somewhat unfair to the
physical layer
since this number will be different than the BER rate of the physical
layer
itself because CRC errors are a measure of total system BER. Don't be
alarmed by
a few orders of magnitude difference.

Since a single bit error is enough to cause a CRC error, I would count
each
CRC error as a single bit error. This may not strictly be the case for
errors
caused by bursty noise, but some approximation needs to be made in a
packetized
network.

Much like the touted 30% collision myth, CRC errors do not spell
disaster until the
BER is very close to 1...your definition of 'very' may vary :-)

BTW, I agree 100% on collision rates.

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Post by Rich Seifer » Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:00:00




> >Network *errors* (i.e. CRC errors) should be virtually non-existent on any
> >Ethernet. I have rarely seen more than one per DAY that was not the cause
> >of a malfunctioning device or improper cable configuration.

> Any transmitter which uses "early transmit" [ie xmission begins
> before the entire packet is buffered by the network controller]
> is vulnerable to host latency.

> If the latency is excessive, the tx fifo runs dry and the poor
> nic has no choice but to generate a packet with a bad crc.

> Malfunctioning device?  A bit of a theological question.  The
> hardware was designed this way, and is functioning as spec'd.

Maybe philosophical or metaphysical, but probably not theological!

The problem is that an event which is NOT a network error APPEARS as a network
error, if one looks only at a CRC error count. If you correlate this statistics with
a count of Transmit Underruns of the devices in the network (and this is a common
SNMP MIB object), you can determine what the "real" network error rate is.

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Post by gary fly » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00





> The problem is that an event which is NOT a network error APPEARS as a network
> error, if one looks only at a CRC error count. If you correlate this statistics with
> a count of Transmit Underruns of the devices in the network (and this is a common
> SNMP MIB object), you can determine what the "real" network error rate is.

I assume you include collision fragments in this equation?

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Post by Joe Doupn » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00




>>Network *errors* (i.e. CRC errors) should be virtually non-existent on any
>>Ethernet. I have rarely seen more than one per DAY that was not the cause
>>of a malfunctioning device or improper cable configuration.

> Hiya rich.  I guess it depends on the definition of "malfunctioning
> device".

> Any transmitter which uses "early transmit" [ie xmission begins
> before the entire packet is buffered by the network controller]
> is vulnerable to host latency.

> If the latency is excessive, the tx fifo runs dry and the poor
> nic has no choice but to generate a packet with a bad crc.

> Malfunctioning device?  A bit of a theological question.  The
> hardware was designed this way, and is functioning as spec'd.

----------
        Quite right, and becoming a network nusance around here. I'm tempted
to hang the "maldesigned" label around the neck of vendors creating boards
in this manner since they do not perform their intended function of putting
properly formed frames on the wire.
        Joe D.
 
 
 

1. ETHERNET STATISTICS ON cisco2924

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we got a switch in our network with has following errors on the interface

FastEthernet0/3 is up, line protocol is up
  Hardware is Fast Ethernet, address is 00d0.58f0.1903 (bia 00d0.58f0.1903)
  Description: ***  VLAN1 ***
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 10000 Kbit, DLY 1000 usec, rely 255/255, load 6/255
  Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set, keepalive not set
  Half-duplex, 10Mb/s, 100BaseTX/FX
  ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 00:05:00
  Last input never, output 00:00:01, output hang never
  Last clearing of "show interface" counters 4w0d
  Queueing strategy: fifo
  Output queue 0/40, 0 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops
  5 minute input rate 131000 bits/sec, 32 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 264000 bits/sec, 97 packets/sec
     32646198 packets input, 956644672 bytes, 0 no buffer
     Received 1467210 broadcasts, 107 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
     16831 input errors, 832 CRC, 794 frame, 0 overrun, 8 ignored, 0 abort
     0 watchdog, 48905 multicast
     0 input packets with dribble condition detected
     137493363 packets output, 1077229037 bytes, 0 underruns
     11345 output errors, 818052 collisions, 0 interface resets
     0 babbles, 11345 late collision, 412666 deferred
     0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier
     0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out

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