I am working with VC++ 4.0
Do you think I should work on VC++5.0 (i was told VC++5.0 is very hight bugged)
Thanks for advice
Bruno CEBE
by Bruno Ceb » Sat, 05 Jul 1997 04:00:00
I am working with VC++ 4.0
Do you think I should work on VC++5.0 (i was told VC++5.0 is very hight bugged)
Thanks for advice
Bruno CEBE
by Chris Marriot » Sat, 05 Jul 1997 04:00:00
If you're happy with VC++4, then stay with 4. If you need the newQuote:>I am working with VC++ 4.0
>Do you think I should work on VC++5.0 (i was told VC++5.0 is very hight bugged)
I use VC++5 and have had absolutely no problems.
Chris
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by chris losing » Sat, 05 Jul 1997 04:00:00
>I use VC++5 and have had absolutely no problems.
the help is slow. the interface is annoying - dockable toolbars
are a big pain in the ass when they keep moving themselves around.
4.x is a much better product.
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by Chris Marriot » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
How much memory have you got? It seems to be the case that if you have aQuote:> i use 5.0 and have found that it consistently crashes when i use
>the CD-player utility at the same time.
Slower, certainly, but I don't find it unacceptably slow. When I clickQuote:> the help is slow.
Why do your toolbars move around - mine don't!Quote:> the interface is annoying - dockable toolbars
>are a big pain in the ass when they keep moving themselves around.
I suppose it boils down to personal preference. I *like* VC++5!Quote:> 4.x is a much better product.
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by Karl Vilbi » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
> >>I am working with VC++ 4.0
> >>Do you think I should work on VC++5.0 (i was told VC++5.0 is very hight bugged)
> >I use VC++5 and have had absolutely no problems.
> i use 5.0 and have found that it consistently crashes when i use
> the CD-player utility at the same time.
> the help is slow. the interface is annoying - dockable toolbars
> are a big pain in the ass when they keep moving themselves around.
> 4.x is a much better product.
> -c
VC++5.0 has never crashed on me (32MB RAM), but I don't use the CD
player since my stereo is right next to my computer.)
by Chris Marriot » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
That's not true at all - there's a lot of new stuff in VC++5, especiallyQuote:>VC++5.0 uses MFC 4.2... so if you are using VC++4.2, and want to buy
>5.0, all you are getting is a different interface.
Chris
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by Jim sha » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
> That's not true at all - there's a lot of new stuff in VC++5, especially
> related to COM (and who can afford NOT to be seriously "into" COM these
> days?). You have the radically improved ATL v2.1, "native" COM pointer
> support in the compiler via the "#import" statement, etc. VC++5 has
> basically the same MFC library as does 4.2, but there's a LOT more to
> VC++5 than simply MFC!
1) Smaller code size.
2) Better optimized compilation.
3) Sub-projects.
4) The Object repository (when it becomes available).
5) The Visual Modeler (Rational's ROSE product) for better design and
tighter integration with MFC code.
6) New ANSI bool objects and better compliance with the STL.
7) If you combine MFC, Rational ROSE (or the Visual Modeler), SourceSafe,
Object Repository,
and RogueWave class libraries. You have one hell of a good development
environment (plus an
empty wallet), that is a couple of years away from becoming the small
enterprise market's
development workbench of choice.
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by Martin L. Shoemake » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
Chris Marriott wrote in article ...
I've noticed mine seem to move sporadically if my main VC frame is resized,Quote:>Why do your toolbars move around - mine don't!
Despite this, I love VC 5. I adapted to it quickly, and now have trouble
going back.
Martin
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by Martin L. Shoemake » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00
Wow! Something weird here. I use it on a 64 MB machine and a 32 MB machine.Quote:> because 5.0 crashes so often (often hopelessly corrupting the
>project files, too!) it tends to lose track of things like toolbar
>placement, it likes to set them up one per line, four lines high
>(five, if you count the menues).
> ...
> i would like it if it didn't crash so often. it really is _often_,
>too - like twice a day usually.
If you're crashing this often, I feel really sorry for you. Do you have
another, cleaner machine you can try it on? maybe this machine is corrupted
in some fundamental way.
Martin
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by Martyn Lovel » Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:00
The normal cause of this unprompted toolbar repositioning is stopping
debugging when the Developer Studio window is minimized. This applies both
to use of the stop debugging command, to exiting developer studio, and to
exiting the program being debugged. To avoid bar repositioning, only exit
Developer Studio when it is restored or maximised. [Incidentally, this
problem should have no impact on a decision between 4.x and 5.0, since the
problem exists in both versions.]
If you know of crashing bugs, you should certainly report them at the MSQuote:> i would like it if it didn't crash so often. it really is _often_,
> too - like twice a day usually.
In case you weren't already aware, Service Pack 1 for Visual Studio has
just been released on the MS Web pages.
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by CyBorc » Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:00
> Slower, certainly, but I don't find it unacceptably slow. When I click
> on a keyword, the help appears in 2-3 seconds.
by Chris Marriot » Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:00
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by Chris Marriot » Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:00
>> Slower, certainly, but I don't find it unacceptably slow. When I click
>> on a keyword, the help appears in 2-3 seconds.
>i've never tried vc5, but 2-3 seconds!!!!! anything beyond 1/10 second
>is unacceptable!!!
>i use vc4 and have immediate help when clicking on a keyword!
2-3 seconds seems perfectly acceptable for searching hundreds of MB of
data on a CD. Are you REALLY in that much of a hurry that you can't wait
2 seconds for a help page to be displayed?
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by Davide Marca » Mon, 07 Jul 1997 04:00:00
>How much memory have you got? It seems to be the case that if you have a
>lot of memory (I have 64MB) it's fine, but if you have 32MB or less it's
>a lot less stable. I too use the CD player almost constantly whilst
>programming, and my system is totally stable.
It might be an idea to try a different CD player, there are many available
on the Internet.
That's about 10-20 times more than with VC++ 4.2 (or lower).Quote:>> the help is slow.
>Slower, certainly, but I don't find it unacceptably slow. When I click
>on a keyword, the help appears in 2-3 seconds.
I prefer VC++ 5 too, but the help engine is terribly slow - it seems likeQuote:>> 4.x is a much better product.
>I suppose it boils down to personal preference. I *like* VC++5!
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by David Woo » Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:00:00
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