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Post by phil » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00



What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?
 
 
 

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Post by The Starglide » Mon, 29 Nov 1999 04:00:00



serve.co.uk> writes
Quote:>What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?

Are you talking about this country or world-wide?

In the UK, the spectrum way outsold anything else around.

World-wide - it's a bit more tricky. Commodore had a much stronger
market in many other countries, but the spectrum is still currently the
biggest selling machine in Russia (and there have been a *LOT* sold
there).

I would say, all in all, that they're pretty much equal.
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Post by Jaso » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00


phil:

Quote:> What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?

Starglider:

Quote:> World-wide - it's a bit more tricky. Commodore had a much stronger
> market in many other countries...

The Commodore 64 worldwide figures are a little hard to confirm exactly,
but the best guess is somewhere close to 25 million units worldwide.
Only the Atari 2600 and Nintendo's 8bit lines have sold as well or
better.

Quote:> ...but the spectrum is still currently the biggest selling machine in
> Russia (and there have been a *LOT* sold there).

There are companies still shipping the C64 in America, mostly from old
or reconditioned stock.  Sadly, the present license to Web Computers
means that the small companies that *want* to build new machines daren't
do so for fear of legal problems...

It's a shame about the Web.It really, the idea was reasonable but it
wasn't implemented or marketed well.
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Post by Wesk » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00


[snip]

Quote:> What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?

In The Netherlands, I guess that - unfortunately - the C64 sold more.
It was the Dutch who did not believe in *. Nowadays - things
change. * is used, even by non-sailors ;-)

The funny thing is that the C64 had a ZX Spectrum emulator running.
Not vice versa. The discussion is... wasn't it possible to write a C64
emulator on the Spec? Or was the Spec so impressive?
I think the first answer is the right one... Hardware emulation takes
processing power the Spec lacks somehow.

I did a little combining: in 1984, I made a new keyboard matrix
PCB, that fitted in a Commodore +4 keyboard. The whole
Spec inside a VERY GOOD case and keyboard. It still works.

Wesko
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Post by Spik » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00



Quote:> [snip]
>> What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?
> In The Netherlands, I guess that - unfortunately - the C64 sold more.
> It was the Dutch who did not believe in *. Nowadays - things
> change. * is used, even by non-sailors ;-)
> The funny thing is that the C64 had a ZX Spectrum emulator running.
> Not vice versa. The discussion is... wasn't it possible to write a C64
> emulator on the Spec? Or was the Spec so impressive?
> I think the first answer is the right one... Hardware emulation takes
> processing power the Spec lacks somehow.

There was no POINT in emulating the C64 on the speccy.
The Speccy emulator on C64 only emulated the BASIC. Why would a speccy user
WANT to downgrade his BASIC by emulating the C64 version of it?

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Post by The Starglide » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00




Quote:>phil:
>> What sold more the commodore 64 or the spectrum?

>Starglider:
>> World-wide - it's a bit more tricky. Commodore had a much stronger
>> market in many other countries...

>The Commodore 64 worldwide figures are a little hard to confirm exactly,
>but the best guess is somewhere close to 25 million units worldwide.
>Only the Atari 2600 and Nintendo's 8bit lines have sold as well or
>better.

I remember reading an article somewhere that there have been about 30
million spectrums (and their clones) sold world-wide. I'll see if I can
still find it.
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Post by Jaso » Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Spike:

Quote:> There was no POINT in emulating the C64 on the speccy. The Speccy
> emulator on C64 only emulated the BASIC.

That's not *strictly* true, it managed tape access, did a bit of sound
and emulated the screen (running in bitmap mode, not using the C64's
character screen).  This emulator has been used to port pictures from
the Spectrum to the C64 so what it *does* do is reasonably accurate,
despite the processor speed advantage the Spectrum has.

As far as doing it the other way around, it's going to need a Spectrum
128 and, whilst the tape access is possible and the BASIC a doddle, the
sound could only be *very* roughly approximated and the screen emulation
just *isn't* going to work - the hi-res bitmap mode on the C64 has the
same colour attribute system but is 32 pixels wider and 8 higher with
more colours available.

(One of the theoretical threads on the C64 newsgroups recently was about
doing a real Spectrum emulation by arming a breadbin with an SCPU.
Nobody could think of a reason why it wouldn't work... =-)
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Post by Andrew Cadley SYS Staf » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00



> (One of the theoretical threads on the C64 newsgroups recently was about
> doing a real Spectrum emulation by arming a breadbin with an SCPU.
> Nobody could think of a reason why it wouldn't work... =-)

Someone ought to try it out, I can't think of a better use for a Commode.
;-)

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Post by Robert J. Bak » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00


On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:42:43 GMT, in comp.sys.sinclair,


>sprachen:

>>There was no POINT in emulating the C64 on the speccy.
>>The Speccy emulator on C64 only emulated the BASIC. Why would a speccy user
>>WANT to downgrade his BASIC by emulating the C64 version of it?

>So you could use the C64's fantastic sound and graphic commands!

Fantastic as in "pertaining to fantasy", i.e. nonsensical?

Oh -- I see, you were being ironic...

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Post by OviB » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Not that it would count to the total but in Romania were much more
Spectrums than C64, not to count Spectrum clones that at some
point were significantly more numerous than the original machines
(however I've never heard about a C64 clone here).

Quote:> I did a little combining: in 1984, I made a new keyboard matrix
> PCB, that fitted in a Commodore +4 keyboard. The whole
> Spec inside a VERY GOOD case and keyboard. It still works.

You weren't the only one. I was desperate about a keyboard replacement
for my Spectrum and in the end I went on the same path as you (almost).
It was quite tricky to rewire the +4 PCB (I haven't replaced it entirely, I
only made new connections after cutting the old ones).

The result, however, wasn't as proffessional as I expected. I mean that
Spectrum's keyboard worked well if not better than +4's but it's life
was shorter.

Quote:> Wesko
> Beverwijk
> The Netherlands

Ovidiu
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Post by Spik » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00




> sprachen:
>>There was no POINT in emulating the C64 on the speccy.
>>The Speccy emulator on C64 only emulated the BASIC. Why would a speccy user
>>WANT to downgrade his BASIC by emulating the C64 version of it?
> So you could use the C64's fantastic sound and graphic commands!

What sound and graphics commands? It didn't have any.
Besides, the sprites and sounds were done in hardware.
How could the speccy emulate that?

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Post by Robert J. Bak » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00


On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:39:28 +0200, in comp.sys.sinclair, "OviB"

Quote:>Not that it would count to the total but in Romania were much more
>Spectrums than C64, not to count Spectrum clones that at some
>point were significantly more numerous than the original machines
>(however I've never heard about a C64 clone here).

I've never heard of anyone cloning the CBM64.  But then, who would want to?...
;<)

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Post by Jaso » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Robert J. Baker:

Quote:> I've never heard of anyone cloning the CBM64.

There were at least ten copies of the C64 being mass produced in Asia
during the 1980s, the breadbin is harder to copy than a Spectrum but
certainly not impossible.  Since the clones were being built before
Commodore went under, they still made money from all the MOS components
that had to be used.

Quote:> But then, who would want to?...

People with taste. =-)
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Post by Robert J. Bak » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00


On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:20:45 +0000, in comp.sys.sinclair, Jason

Quote:>Robert J. Baker:
>> I've never heard of anyone cloning the CBM64.
[...]
>> But then, who would want to?...

>People with taste. =-)

Yes -- bad taste...   ;<)

(The sort of people who'd *enjoy* the salt-'n'-vinegar crisps I bought
back in the summer that were promoted as having "xtreme flava" or some
such idiotic spelling?  Gods, they were vile -- more like
salt-'n'-hydroflouric-acid; if the saltiness had been increased in
proportion to the vinegariness, they'd have been instantly lethal.
Thank goodness they've gone from the shops -- probably being stockpiled
for use in chemical warfare...:)

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Post by Wesk » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Quote:> You weren't the only one. I was desperate about a keyboard replacement
> for my Spectrum and in the end I went on the same path as you (almost).
> It was quite tricky to rewire the +4 PCB (I haven't replaced it entirely,
I
> only made new connections after cutting the old ones).

I did it by making a new printed circuit board, hand-routed. Some
silver-spray for better contact and... Finally I put the power on. It all
worked. My parents were waked up at 04:52 am by my scream.

Quote:> The result, however, wasn't as proffessional as I expected. I mean that
> Spectrum's keyboard worked well if not better than +4's but it's life
> was shorter.

Well... I just got the spec + opus + "+4" off the attic... STILL GOES WELL,
but the floppies... Aaargh. I was so proud of having the MODERN 3.5" flops
instead of the PC's 12" flops ;-).

And now wait for the Spectrum keyboard plugged into COM2.

Wesko
Beverwijk
The Netherlands