BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by jsoll.. » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00



I had the opportunity to work with ADSL from BC Tel last week. If anyone
is interested, the results were quite astounding. The test files were
downloaded from a Tucows site on Shaws Wave service in Alberta, and a non
Wave Tucows site in BC and Microsofts site in Redmond Washington. The
file transferred was Internet Explorer 4.01 at 22MB. The transfer speeds
are the fastest speed obtained from all the sites.

                 56K X2 Modem        Wave         ADSL
Slowest Speed           1.7KB/s          24KB/s      138KB/s
Fastest Speed   3.4KB/s          39KB/s      172KB/s

In actual time that is as long as 3.5 hours for the X2 modem compared to
2 minutes for the ADSL. Just thought some of you might be interested.

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Greg Voelke » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> I had the opportunity to work with ADSL from BC Tel last week. If anyone
> is interested, the results were quite astounding. The test files were
> downloaded from a Tucows site on Shaws Wave service in Alberta, and a non
> Wave Tucows site in BC and Microsofts site in Redmond Washington. The
> file transferred was Internet Explorer 4.01 at 22MB. The transfer speeds
> are the fastest speed obtained from all the sites.

>                  56K X2 Modem        Wave         ADSL
> Slowest Speed           1.7KB/s          24KB/s      138KB/s
> Fastest Speed   3.4KB/s          39KB/s      172KB/s

> In actual time that is as long as 3.5 hours for the X2 modem compared to
> 2 minutes for the ADSL. Just thought some of you might be interested.


download IE4.01 from redmand washington at 10:00pm western time in just
over one minute. That makes about twice as fast as your ASDL. I was also
able to download nestcape4.04 at 18mb in 50sec. Just though you might be
interested.

        Greg Voelker, *:)

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Ron Hanso » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00


what is BC wave?

Ron Hanson
Team Visi RC5-DES Team Member
"Crackin' with Win95/NT/Linux"
http://www.visi.com/~rhanson/RC5.htm


>I had the opportunity to work with ADSL from BC Tel last week. If anyone
>is interested, the results were quite astounding. The test files were
>downloaded from a Tucows site on Shaws Wave service in Alberta, and a non
>Wave Tucows site in BC and Microsofts site in Redmond Washington. The
>file transferred was Internet Explorer 4.01 at 22MB. The transfer speeds
>are the fastest speed obtained from all the sites.

>                 56K X2 Modem        Wave         ADSL
>Slowest Speed 1.7KB/s          24KB/s      138KB/s
>Fastest Speed 3.4KB/s          39KB/s      172KB/s

>In actual time that is as long as 3.5 hours for the X2 modem compared to
>2 minutes for the ADSL. Just thought some of you might be interested.

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Haggert » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> what is BC wave?

The British Columbia service of the Rogers WAVE cable modem ISP, soon to

already put in place.  Its modems are at present constrained to 500kbps,
and there is some informal word, with an announcement expected soon,
that it will become 400kbps unless some extra subscription money is
paid.

> Ron Hanson
> Team Visi RC5-DES Team Member
> "Crackin' with Win95/NT/Linux"
> http://www.visi.com/~rhanson/RC5.htm


> >I had the opportunity to work with ADSL from BC Tel last week. If anyone
> >is interested, the results were quite astounding.   <snip>

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BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Benn » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00


I believe you might be referring to my post.  I was not suggesting that the
current Wave speed would be slowed to 400kbps.  I believe it is currently
running at 400 (not 500) and the Wave guy at Comdex indicated it would stay
at the present speed.


>The British Columbia service of the Rogers WAVE cable modem ISP, soon to

>already put in place.  Its modems are at present constrained to 500kbps,
>and there is some informal word, with an announcement expected soon,
>that it will become 400kbps unless some extra subscription money is
>paid.

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BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Richard J. Worsfol » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00


These numbers are consistent with the test I ran with an ADSL user here in
Ottawa.
Makes you wonder how long before Rogers begins to see this.
Richard

< stuff deleted >

Quote:>The transfer speeds
>are the fastest speed obtained from all the sites.

>                 56K X2 Modem        Wave         ADSL
>Slowest Speed 1.7KB/s          24KB/s      138KB/s
>Fastest Speed 3.4KB/s          39KB/s      172KB/s

< stuff deleted >
 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Haggert » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> These numbers are consistent with the test I ran with an ADSL user here in
> Ottawa.
> Makes you wonder how long before Rogers begins to see this.
> Richard

> < stuff deleted >

Yep.  Well, maybe for the 400kbps their price might come down?  After
all, if by that restriction they can jam on more customers per node
without the service being degraded by high-bandwidth users of the local
node, then maybe they can afford to charge a lower price?  For speeds
adequate for many customers if consistent and not subject to logjams?  I
mean, it would be nice to be able to leave on applications that push
something like that many bits per second at you for a long time, without
worrying about hogging the neighborhood LAN?  Well, I don't know much
about it, but looks from where I am that it could be a smart move not to
bump up the maximum bandwidth right away.  The many-Mbps down south, and
at Shaw Wave too I hear, sounds great but maybe isn't important as
reliable, continuous service at a single order of magnitude better than
dialup speeds.

By the way, my "500kbps" in a previous reply came mostly from the
maximum speed of the Zenith modems that Rogers is phasing out.  Also
some people do seem to have reported downloads at up to about
60KBytes/sec at times.  Crafty of Rogers to start putting in new,
"better" modems, but have them set to 80% of the speed of the old kind!
But maybe it all makes some sense.

Also, early adopters of ADSL or any other high-bandwidth service should
be aware that things may slow down once the lines get filled by traffic
from the designed number of customers.  That is, in the expanding areas
things are generally better for awhile.  Also when the upstream capacity
has recently been increased.  But I don't have background re the
details.

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BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Greg Voelke » Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> the popularity of IE4 and Netscape4.04,  I wouldn't be surprised if you were
> actually downloading from a caching server instead of microsoft or netscape
> homesite. But nonetheless, the speed is outstanding. I really hope rogerswave
> can achieve it soon.

        Because of the asinine way IE installs itself I don't know if it uses

http. Netscape was downloaded using ftp.
 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by jsoll.. » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00




> download IE4.01 from redmand washington at 10:00pm western time in just
> over one minute. That makes about twice as fast as your ASDL. I was also
> able to download nestcape4.04 at 18mb in 50sec. Just though you might be
> interested.

>    Greg Voelker, *:)

Greg, I am very happy for you but you are not on the BC Rogers Wave
Service so your comment is not relevant to the original posting. We have
been dealing with 500kb/s modem speeds and actual thruput of 15-40KB/s
and Rogers is now threatening to cut this back to 400kb/s. I have no
doubt at all that cable modems are capable of much more and I think the
technology is great...however...we cannot get the kind of speed you are
talking about through our provider. This is why I specified that I was
comparing the British Columbia Rogers Wave service to the BC Telephone
company ADSL service. It was intended to give people HERE in this area an
idea of what this other new service is like and for roughly the same
amount of money each month, it appears that ADSL is a better
alternative...for US.

On top of that with Rogers Wave we are confined to using Rogers as our
ISP. With ADSL there are a total of 15 ISP's to choose from who are
partnered with BC Tel to offer this service.

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Benn » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00



>We have
>been dealing with 500kb/s modem speeds and actual thruput of 15-40KB/s
>and Rogers is now threatening to cut this back to 400kb/s.

Let's not let this misunderstanding get out of hand.  I thought we were
already running at 400kbps (and I'm still pretty sure we are) so when I
posted that they'd be running at 400 in the future, I meant there would be
no upgrade.

At no time was it suggested they'd change our speed to something slower.
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BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Tany » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00


Here's a question... I am also using BC Rogers Wave, how would I know
if I have one of the modems that are being "phased out"?  Would it
help to know that I have a LANcity modem that they supplied to me?

Quote:>By the way, my "500kbps" in a previous reply came mostly from the
>maximum speed of the Zenith modems that Rogers is phasing out.  Also
>some people do seem to have reported downloads at up to about
>60KBytes/sec at times.  Crafty of Rogers to start putting in new,
>"better" modems, but have them set to 80% of the speed of the old kind!
>But maybe it all makes some sense.

>Also, early adopters of ADSL or any other high-bandwidth service should
>be aware that things may slow down once the lines get filled by traffic
>from the designed number of customers.  That is, in the expanding areas
>things are generally better for awhile.  Also when the upstream capacity
>has recently been increased.  But I don't have background re the
>details.

After happening on to this newsgroup today, I must say that I am
pretty ticked off that I am paying the same amount as other
subscribers across Canada, and getting such slow service from Rogers.
I might add that I agree that the initial service for ADSL lines will
be faster than they will be later on when subscribers hog the lines,
however- it sounds like with more choice with providers of ADSL, I
have a better opportunity to make choices as to the service I get.

Tanya

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Haggert » Fri, 30 Jan 1998 04:00:00



> Here's a question... I am also using BC Rogers Wave, how would I know
> if I have one of the modems that are being "phased out"?  Would it
> help to know that I have a LANcity modem that they supplied to me?

> >By the way, my "500kbps" in a previous reply came mostly from the
> >maximum speed of the Zenith modems that Rogers is phasing out.

<snip>

No, you don't, Zenith modems are not LANcity modems.  Would suggest that
in any further followups about "local" matters such as 400 vs. 500, we
should phase out the use this crossposted thread shouted out to the
cable-modem world, or change the newsgroup header to read
rogerswave.general only.  You can find other related threads there.

Quote:

> After happening on to this newsgroup today, I must say that I am
> pretty ticked off that I am paying the same amount as other
> subscribers across Canada, and getting such slow service from Rogers.
> I might add that I agree that the initial service for ADSL lines will
> be faster than they will be later on when subscribers hog the lines,
> however- it sounds like with more choice with providers of ADSL, I
> have a better opportunity to make choices as to the service I get.

> Tanya

By the way, in my previous remarks about sharing, I should have conceded
that the ADSL lines are not shared, at least as far as the ISP -- but
potential bottlenecks at the ISPs have been discussed.  Also, people
might look up in dejanews the long thread in Nov./Dec., " Will xDSL Kill
Cable Internet Access? "  It was crossposted, with the xdsl newsgroup as
well as the c.d.m.c. newsgroup.
          Mike

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BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Benn » Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:00:00


A friend of mine got his ADSL service yesterday.  We found something we
hadn't expected:  every time the phone rings or he places a phone call, he
loses his net connectivity for a few seconds.

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by sa.. » Mon, 02 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Quote:>I believe you might be referring to my post.  I was not suggesting that the
>current Wave speed would be slowed to 400kbps.  I believe it is currently
>running at 400 (not 500) and the Wave guy at Comdex indicated it would stay

[snip]

You are wrong.

natas

satan

 
 
 

BC Wave vs BC Tel ADSL side by side comparison

Post by Mike Benn » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00




writes:
>>I believe you might be referring to my post.  I was not suggesting that
the
>>current Wave speed would be slowed to 400kbps.  I believe it is currently
>>running at 400 (not 500) and the Wave guy at Comdex indicated it would
stay
>[snip]

>You are wrong.

>natas

>satan

Ah yes, eloquent as always.  An insightful and brilliant response.  Very
impressive.  I bow to your greater intellect.
 
 
 

1. ADSL Installation Report (BC Tel Multimedia Gateway)

Hi All,

Well after all the waiting I finally have ADSL installed. The tech
showed up to my apartment around 9:30am this morning. He apparantly
needed to install some kind of
filter downstairs in the phone room because of the way our apartment is
setup - ie when someone downstairs enteres our room number on the
keypad, the phone rings. Anyway, that took him about half an hour. Then
all he had to do was the wiring in the phone jack on the wall, and hook
the modem up to his laptop to do a speed test. Apparantly I'm getting
1.4 megs per second which according to him is the fastest he's seen on a
consumer package. So I guess that's good hey? But the technician seemed
to know what he was talking about and did everything professionally and
without any hassle. So now I have both my computers hooked up to the
ADSL connection via a hub. Seems to be working fine so far. Initially I
had to hook the modem up to the ethernet card in the main PC to register
the computer with BC Tel, but once that was done all I needed to do was
plug it into the hub and then connect the other computer to the hub, and
it worked fine after that. So now I'm enjoying a very fast ADSL
connection :). I know I'm happy so far! :). Here are some results from
http://speedtest.mybc.com

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/10kbyte.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 50 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 10240 bytes
Throughput: 1.5625 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/50kbyte.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 330 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 51200 bytes
Throughput: 1.1837121 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/200kbyte.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 1370 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 204800 bytes
Throughput: 1.1405109 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/1meg.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 6980 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 1048576 bytes
Throughput: 1.1461318 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/2meg.test
Http connection opened in 60 milliseconds
Test performed in 13130 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 2097152 bytes
Throughput: 1.2185833 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/5meg.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 35040 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 5242880 bytes
Throughput: 1.1415526 Mbps

Starting download test
Http request: http://speedtest.mybc.com/10meg.test
Http connection opened in 0 milliseconds
Test performed in 68930 milliseconds
Total bytes downloaded: 10485760 bytes
Throughput: 1.1605977 Mbps

This is without any registry patches or tweaks btw. Be interesting to
see if the performance goes up when I get around to tweaking the
connection.

Regards,
Adam

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