Quote:> I agree that an options menu couldn't be complete until the options stabilize,
> but it might be a good idea to get something basic in before then.
patch! patch! patch! :-)
Quote:> >"Write a program that every idiot can use - and every idiot will use it."
> Well, you want everyone to switch from elm to mutt, don't you?
NOOOO! I want the idiots to use PINE, of course! hehe
Quote:> One nice thing about elm is that it has varying levels of on-screen help,
> including turning off the command menu display completely. This would
> be a big step in making mutt more acceptable as an elm replacement.
I know. That's why the developers added that line for the "mini-menu".
But it certainly cannot take all commands, so mutt has a "help" command.
I wouldn't mind an options menu/screen, either, but it's quite a task!
Btw, I had asked for an extra "message line" for feedback for a long time now,
but the consensus was that mutt shouldn't give screen real estate away.
Anyway, if there was a patch which would give me that message line
then I'll certainly write the feedback messages. How about that for newbies?
Quote:> Admit it, most users just don't read manuals -- and they shouldn't
> need to to use their mail program. A brief man page should be all
> that normal users ever need to read, not a book.
I admit that. Heck, all my webpages are trying to fill that gap:
Give info to the user that he cannot find in the manual YET.
But I'd rather keep mutt from the bloat of "messages" and
"context help" until mutt has all the good features we all need.
Quote:> But at this point mutt requires reading a book just to get started.
Sure, but that's just because mutt is so powerful,
and not because it sucks so much as elm or pine. ;-)
Quote:> That brings up another point:
> Mutt will not run without a pre-existing .muttrc file ..
Sorry? Mutt certainly *does* run without a muttrc!
Quote:> .. while elm and pine will create a default/skeleton config file if one
> doesn't already exist.
I hear that there's a patch for mutt already which adds a command
that creates a config file with the current state of mutt.
And it shall be added to the next public release. (Correct?)
Quote:> This seemingly minor point makes those two much easier to get started with.
For now. ;-)
Quote:> I never read the full manuals for elm until I was consulting
> on it, and I've never read any manuals for pine.
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