Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Graham Millingto » Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:33:40



Apologies for the somewhat pedestrian question, but having searched the web
for 'noise' I came up with very little other than the usual CCD-related
discussions.

I have a new Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 ED scanner.  When scanning slides
(using the MS-20 adaptor) the machine is incredibly noisy (audible noise,
that is).  There is an overall 'whirring' sound accompanied by a rhythmic
'clunk' with an occasional, apparently random, intercession of 'bangs'as the
slide is scanned.

'Preview' is somewhat less audible.  And similar noises are also apparent,
briefly, when inserting and removing slides.

Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Graham Millington
New York

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by faneui » Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:50:42


Yes - many of us have found it to be a noisy scanner. Scarily-so, as the
noises can, depending on the set scan resolution, sound like grinding..
almost expect sausage to come out the back of the scanner sometimes..

Eric

PS. My LS-4000 is in the shop! but not for the above reason.


Quote:> Apologies for the somewhat pedestrian question, but having searched the
web
> for 'noise' I came up with very little other than the usual CCD-related
> discussions.

> I have a new Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 ED scanner.  When scanning slides
> (using the MS-20 adaptor) the machine is incredibly noisy (audible noise,
> that is).  There is an overall 'whirring' sound accompanied by a rhythmic
> 'clunk' with an occasional, apparently random, intercession of 'bangs'as
the
> slide is scanned.

> 'Preview' is somewhat less audible.  And similar noises are also apparent,
> briefly, when inserting and removing slides.

> Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
> Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

> Thank you very much.

> Graham Millington
> New York


 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Kennedy McEwe » Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:42:09




Quote:>Apologies for the somewhat pedestrian question, but having searched the web
>for 'noise' I came up with very little other than the usual CCD-related
>discussions.

>I have a new Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 ED scanner.  When scanning slides
>(using the MS-20 adaptor) the machine is incredibly noisy (audible noise,
>that is).  There is an overall 'whirring' sound accompanied by a rhythmic
>'clunk' with an occasional, apparently random, intercession of 'bangs'as the
>slide is scanned.

>'Preview' is somewhat less audible.  And similar noises are also apparent,
>briefly, when inserting and removing slides.

>Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
>Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

For obvious reasons it is difficult to quantify levels of mechanical
noise for comparison but the LS-4000 is generally quite a noisy scanner.
In fact, there were so many reports about this issue when the scanner
was released that when I finally bought mine some 14 months later I was
surprised at how quiet it was compared to my expectations and they
always sound louder at home than they do in the shop.  :-)

However, the real issue is whether you see any effect of this mechanical
noise on the scan itself.  I am a little worried about your report of
random bangs during the scan process (as opposed to the noise made when
moving the scanner head to the start of the scan or when moving the film
through the SA-21 strip holder).  The scanner should make a relatively
repetitive "buzz" during the actual scan itself.  Other noises during
the scan itself would indicate some sudden mechanical knocking which
would likely cause inconsistent movement of the scan head even if not
derived directly from it.

To test for consistent scan steps, take some aluminium foil and fold it
in half to get a clean, knife sharp edge.  Then place this into a slide
holder or the FH-3 film strip holder (NOT the SA-21 motorised strip
adapter!) so that the knife edge runs diagonally across the frame from
one corner to the other.  Scan that at 4000ppi (counting the number of
"bangs" during the scan) and then view the result in an imaging package
at around 2-400% magnification.  Search along the diagonal looking for
any sharp discontinuities in the knife edge.  You can expect the edge to
be slightly uneven due to the way you made it, but it should not have
discontinuities of 1/4000 inch.  If you find any, and you think they
correspond to the mechanical knocks either in number or in relative
position along the scan, then it indicates a problem and should be
returned to Nikon for repair or replacement.  If not, then the scanner
is fine.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a * when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers         (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Karri Hartone » Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:24:11



[snip...]

Quote:> Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
> Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

One advantage of multi-sampling is that there is much less mechanical noise.
Try 4x multi-sampling for example.

                    Karri

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Thomas » Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:44:14





> >Apologies for the somewhat pedestrian question, but having searched the web
> >for 'noise' I came up with very little other than the usual CCD-related
> >discussions.

> >I have a new Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 ED scanner.  When scanning slides
> >(using the MS-20 adaptor) the machine is incredibly noisy (audible noise,
> >that is).  There is an overall 'whirring' sound accompanied by a rhythmic
> >'clunk' with an occasional, apparently random, intercession of 'bangs'as the
> >slide is scanned.

> >'Preview' is somewhat less audible.  And similar noises are also apparent,
> >briefly, when inserting and removing slides.

> >Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
> >Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

[...]

Quote:

> To test for consistent scan steps, take some aluminium foil and fold it
> in half to get a clean, knife sharp edge.  Then place this into a slide
> holder or the FH-3 film strip holder (NOT the SA-21 motorised strip
> adapter!) so that the knife edge runs diagonally across the frame from

Very funny, let me verify with my calendar...
Hm, its past April 1st already, here in California at least.

Thomas.

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Quote:> one corner to the other.  Scan that at 4000ppi (counting the number of
> "bangs" during the scan) and then view the result in an imaging package
> at around 2-400% magnification.  Search along the diagonal looking for
> any sharp discontinuities in the knife edge.  You can expect the edge to
> be slightly uneven due to the way you made it, but it should not have
> discontinuities of 1/4000 inch.  If you find any, and you think they
> correspond to the mechanical knocks either in number or in relative
> position along the scan, then it indicates a problem and should be
> returned to Nikon for repair or replacement.  If not, then the scanner
> is fine.
> --
> Kennedy
> Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
> A lovely little thinker, but a * when he's pissed.
> Python Philosophers         (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Thomas » Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:47:32



> Apologies for the somewhat pedestrian question, but having searched the web
> for 'noise' I came up with very little other than the usual CCD-related
> discussions.

> I have a new Nikon Super Coolscan 4000 ED scanner.  When scanning slides
> (using the MS-20 adaptor) the machine is incredibly noisy (audible noise,
> that is).  There is an overall 'whirring' sound accompanied by a rhythmic
> 'clunk' with an occasional, apparently random, intercession of 'bangs'as the
> slide is scanned.

> 'Preview' is somewhat less audible.  And similar noises are also apparent,
> briefly, when inserting and removing slides.

> Is this usual, or do I have a scanner which is not functioning correctly?
> Any feedback from existing owners would be much appreciated.

The scanner is noisy. The stepper motor makes that whirring.
My scanner stands in a acrylic glass box to make it bearable
for work. The scanner was so since I have it (2 or are these
already 3 years since it was released?)

So probably you do not have anything to worry about.
Wait till you will also use the slide feeder SF200-S!
Than you have a duet for two motors and a stepper motor.

Thomas

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Quote:

> Thank you very much.

> Graham Millington
> New York

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Kennedy McEwe » Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:19:54



writes

>> To test for consistent scan steps, take some aluminium foil and fold it
>> in half to get a clean, knife sharp edge.  Then place this into a slide
>> holder or the FH-3 film strip holder (NOT the SA-21 motorised strip
>> adapter!) so that the knife edge runs diagonally across the frame from

>Very funny, let me verify with my calendar...
>Hm, its past April 1st already, here in California at least.

What's so funny about it Thomas?  If there is inconsistent steps from,
say a broken cog, which the reported  intermittent mechanical knocking
would suggest, this would certainly show it up a lot easier than a
general purpose image, where the uneven step could easily appear in a
uniform area where it would not be seen.

FYI, once you have made such a test slide it can be used for a lot more
than just testing for uneven scan steps.  Also, although my scanner is
noisy, it certainly doesn't make any inconsistent knocks and bangs
during the scan process itself.  If yours does then perhaps you should
try the test yourself!
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a * when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers         (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Thomas » Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:46:29




> writes

> >> To test for consistent scan steps, take some aluminium foil and fold it
> >> in half to get a clean, knife sharp edge.  Then place this into a slide
> >> holder or the FH-3 film strip holder (NOT the SA-21 motorised strip
> >> adapter!) so that the knife edge runs diagonally across the frame from

> >Very funny, let me verify with my calendar...
> >Hm, its past April 1st already, here in California at least.

> What's so funny about it Thomas?  If there is inconsistent steps from,
> say a broken cog, which the reported  intermittent mechanical knocking
> would suggest, this would certainly show it up a lot easier than a
> general purpose image, where the uneven step could easily appear in a
> uniform area where it would not be seen.

Ok, ok, thus I must have really misunderstood here something, I really
thought that you are making a little fun here with the aluminum foil!

Thomas

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Quote:

> FYI, once you have made such a test slide it can be used for a lot more
> than just testing for uneven scan steps.  Also, although my scanner is
> noisy, it certainly doesn't make any inconsistent knocks and bangs
> during the scan process itself.  If yours does then perhaps you should
> try the test yourself!
> --
> Kennedy
> Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
> A lovely little thinker, but a * when he's pissed.
> Python Philosophers         (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

 
 
 

Nikon 4000 ED: 'whirr, clunk & bang' noises

Post by Bart van der Wol » Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:45:26



SNIP

Quote:> Ok, ok, thus I must have really misunderstood here something, I really
> thought that you are making a little fun here with the aluminum foil!

The slide mount with a folded piece of aluminium foil at a 5 degree slant,
makes a great target for MTF calculations (in line with the ISO
recommendations). I'm not kidding either!

Bart

 
 
 

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