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I am planning to set up a WWW server on an pentium based machine.  I am
considering using Windows NT. Do I need the Server version of  NT or will
the Workstation version do. I am not sure I need all the additional tools
that come with the server version.

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My home Web server runs on NT Workstation using the free EMWAC server.
Runs well, with the exception that if my RAS connection to my service provider
goes down (far to frequent occurance), I have to restart HTTPS.  This is a known
bug.

The nice thing about NT/EMWAC HTTPS over, say, WinHTTP on WfW is that
I can do just about whatever else I want to on the machine without fear of
crashing, or running out of memory, or any of the other pesky little problems
that one gets with regular Windows.

An excellent investment in my book.

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K.J. Seefried III

You can run a single domain server from NT Workstation.

You need NT Server to run a multiple domain server.

If you have sufficient disk and memory resources to run NT Server then
fine, otherwise you should be able to use the workstation for a single
domain network.

Mike Farrow.

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Quote:

>I am planning to set up a WWW server on an pentium based machine.  I am
>considering using Windows NT. Do I need the Server version of  NT or
>will the Workstation version do.

I'm using Server, largely because I assumed I *needed* to; but since
then, many people have told me I could have gotten by with Workstation. I
do, however, plan on linking in at least one other PC (running WfW), so
maybe I really did need Server after all.

   NT is slow bulky and a all round shitty operating system.  You should
run Linux or BSD Unix.  Both are free, faster and true multitasking
systems.  They also are usefull for anthinf from Namesrving, mail serving,
news serving, or anything you can think of serving.  They are also
standard UNIX platforms!

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The decision to select an OS for these services depends upon many factors,
including your ability to support the OS, anticipated load, cost, etc.
If you already have the infrustructure in place to use Unix, then by all
means, it is an excellent choice.

My department is using Windows NT 3.5 for http, ftp, and LISTSERV on Windows
NT 3.5 because we cannot afford to add Unix to our platform mix.  We are
very happy with performance and ease of administration so far.  I am NOT a
Micro$soft advocate by any means!  Linux or BSD may be a better choice for
your needs.

Make your decision based upon your environment; I wont tell you that Win-NT
is the best solution, since Unix has *never* been slow, bulky or anything
but the mature, robust OS that it is today...

: > I am planning to set up a WWW server on an pentium based machine.  I am
: > considering using Windows NT. Do I need the Server version of  NT or will
: > the Workstation version do. I am not sure I need all the additional tools
: > that come with the server version.

:    NT is slow bulky and a all round shitty operating system.  You should
: run Linux or BSD Unix.  Both are free, faster and true multitasking
: systems.  They also are usefull for anthinf from Namesrving, mail serving,
: news serving, or anything you can think of serving.  They are also
: standard UNIX platforms!

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:                                                Jonah Kowall

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Quote:>> BSD Unix.  Both are free, faster and true multitasking systems.

Where can I get a free copy of BSD Unix?  I'd be happy to try it out :)

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>I am planning to set up a WWW server on an pentium based machine.  I am
>considering using Windows NT. Do I need the Server version of  NT or will
>the Workstation version do. I am not sure I need all the additional tools
>that come with the server version.

This question keeps coming up.

There is considerable confusion on the difference between NETBIOS
connections and socket connections.  NETBIOS connections are the ones that
support client PC's doing general file and printer sharing.  Socket
connections support TCP/IP applications like FTP, Telnet, SNMP, HTTP, etc.

NT Workstation supports a maximum of 10 NETBIOS clients and each machine
has its own userID/password database.

NT Server can support an unlimited number of NETBIOS clients, subject to
memory and CPU constraints, and to owning enough client licenses.  It also
supports a domain security model, which means that a network of NT servers
can all use the same userID's and passwords.

However, neither NT Workstation nor NT Server make much use of the domain
security model for socket applications.  It has no applicability to HTTP;
all that matters is whether the HTTP service can access the HTML files,
Gifs, etc.  It isn't used for anonymous FTP, either.

Both NT Server and NT Workstation have the same limit on socket
connections; 255, I believe.  Furthermore, you don't need to buy client
licenses for socket applications as you do for NETBIOS connectivity.

NT Server is optimized to favor performance for background tasks, whereas
NT Workstation favors whatever is happening on the local keyboard and
screen.  However, you can tell NT workstation to favor background
processes if you want.  (The HTTP service would be one such background
process.)

So, if all you're doing is running light-to-intermediate-volume Internet
services on the NT box, NT workstation will be fine.

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1)  "Faster" : Have you benchmarked the two on comparable systems?  If so
lemme see!

2)  NT doesn't have "true multitasking"?  Gee thats news to me!!!  OOps I
had better tell PovRayNT to stop working right now!

Quote:>systems.  They also are usefull for anthinf from Namesrving, mail serving,
>news serving, or anything you can think of serving.  They are also
>standard UNIX platforms!

I assume you just are attempting to flaimbait.  Generalities like "an all
round shitty OS" are 1) foolish 2) not even remotely constructive.
Certainly a real Unix platform makes a good web server but that doesn't
mean that NT isn't.

I don't want to start a religious war here -- just want to correct those
overzealous souls.  [and get some facts correct]

NT3.5 (workstation) running EMWACS is quite nice BTW. (486DX2 66)

jk

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    FreeBSD is available for downloading at ftp.cdrom.com (which
itself is an impressive machine running FreeBSD 2.0).  The 2.0.5
CD-ROM should be available RSN.  Run it on a $2000 486 box and you've
got a very nice Web server.  It also runs NCSA httpd 1.4 in pre-fork
mode, supports virtual network interfaces right out of the box (no
need for VIF patches, or limiting yourself to just two IP addresses)
and the commercial Netsite BSD server runs on FreeBSD.  Note that
Linux supports none of the above.  ;-)

   See http://140.109.40.248/~taob/Bench/ for some notes on FreeBSD as
a Web server (running Apache and NCSA httpd).

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Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao

Pretty much the same goes for Windows 95. You might be
surprised to find that it's a viable candidate for being a
stable WEB server. And if you compare an HTTP server designed
for NT or 95 that's mulithreaded versus an "older" server
designed for Unix that forks entire processes, the NT/95
solution will probably be faster. And given an SMP environment,
the NT solution will definitely win out.

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