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psiMail out of date already?

My current ISP does not offer Shell Account Access (dialing and getting
"Login:", "Password:" & "Select 3 for PPP-connection") but rather uses
automatic negotiation between host and my PC - when you dial you get a
PPP-connection and nothing else. I have called around here and can find
*very* few ISPs that offer this kind of login anymore. Most of them say
that, oh yes, we used to have that but have discontinued it x months ago
and now have automatic connections only.
As this seems to be the general trend, can it really be true that Psion
has not addressed this? I am unable to log on to my provider with
psiMail because my provider does not send "ogin:" or anything similar
but tries to establish a PPP-connection right away. Believe me, I have
tried everything possible with the script but nothing works. Am I really
the only one with this problem? Is it really neccessary for me to go
back in time and use Compuserve (witch REALLY sucks in Denmark, real
yahoos running it...)?

:o( Hans

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All this is fine, but is there any way to properly configure a connection for
as large an ISP as IBM Global Network (Advantis)?  I really don't want to spend
$$ on two ISP's (one for the PC, one for the PSION) and every response I see
basically says "Go figure it out yourself."
I would prefer some more specific information than "Why not try...?" as it is
becoming frustrating to get PSION Inc. to believe that it should support this
product more concernedly.  Money has been spent, promises made, and it is time
to act.

I can't connect to my provider, and it is not this should not be the case.

IH

Quote:>My Development Department tell me that there does not need to be a
>script - a simple "Open network connection" should work in this case
>because the Psion sends out an opening PPP packet.

>However, the Psion does not retry if it receives no reply. Turn packet
>logging on an produce a log. If it shows "Outgoing PPP packet" and no
>more activity then there is a problem and the ISP is not reponding to
>the Psion's opening packet.

>All the best

>Ali

Quote:

>As this seems to be the general trend, can it really be true that Psion
>has not addressed this? I am unable to log on to my provider with
>psiMail because my provider does not send "ogin:" or anything similar
>but tries to establish a PPP-connection right away. Believe me, I have
>tried everything possible with the script but nothing works.

However, the Psion does not retry if it receives no reply. Turn packet
logging on an produce a log. If it shows "Outgoing PPP packet" and no
more activity then there is a problem and the ISP is not reponding to
the Psion's opening packet.

All the best

Ali

Quote:

>As this seems to be the general trend, can it really be true that Psion
>has not addressed this? I am unable to log on to my provider with
>psiMail because my provider does not send "ogin:" or anything similar
>but tries to establish a PPP-connection right away. Believe me, I have
>tried everything possible with the script but nothing works.

However, the Psion does not retry if it receives no reply. Turn packet
logging on an produce a log. If it shows "Outgoing PPP packet" and no
more activity then there is a problem and the ISP is not reponding to
the Psion's opening packet.

All the best

Ali

Quote:>As this seems to be the general trend, can it really be true that Psion
>has not addressed this? I am unable to log on to my provider with
>psiMail because my provider does not send "ogin:" or anything similar
>but tries to establish a PPP-connection right away. Believe me, I have
>tried everything possible with the script but nothing works.

However, the Psion does not retry if it receives no reply. Turn packet
logging on an produce a log. If it shows "Outgoing PPP packet" and no
more activity then there is a problem and the ISP is not reponding to
the Psion's opening packet.

All the best

Ali

Quote:>All this is fine, but is there any way to properly configure a connection for
>as large an ISP as IBM Global Network (Advantis)?

Quote:>I really don't want to spend $$ on two ISP's (one for the PC, one for the PSION)

Quote:>and every response I see basically says "Go figure it out yourself."

Quote:>I would prefer some more specific information than "Why not try...?" as it is
>becoming frustrating to get PSION Inc. to believe that it should support this
>product more concernedly.

Quote:>I can't connect to my provider, and it is not this should not be the case.

Bye

Ali

Modify your script to be something like

Dial the number
Wait for 'ONNECT'
Open network connection

and it should work. [fingers crossed....!]

Steve Litchfield

I've got it working with this method to connect to BT Internet.  It's
basically the same thing I had to do to connect to my ISP from a PC with
Trumpet Winsock instead of the dialler BT Internet provided.

Frustrating thing for some of the non-techs out there is that if you
call Psion's helpline, there's not a lot of help forthcoming unless you
already know what the problem is.

I asked how to set PsiMail Internet up to cope with CHAP - first
response was "Can't be done, only supports SLIP/PPP".  "Methinks you
don't understand what I'm asking" says I.  "I'll go and ask someone
else" says he.

Sure enough, he came back to me with some more info.  "It was developed
to work with CHAP, but we haven't managed to get it to work yet.  This
is what you do".

So I tried it and it worked and the rest, as they say, is history.

But what would someone do if they didn't know what to ask in the first
place?

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Regards

Tony Globe

Hans

---------http://users.*city.dk/~ccc10373/home.html-------
I haven't lost my mind, I have it backed up on tape somewhere
  Engineering: If it ain't broke, fix it anyway, it's fun!
-------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, but you'll need to make sure your modem settings include the switch
to turn result codes on. It's the modem that sends your Psion the
"CONNECT 14400/V42" or whatever string....

Steve Litchfield
http://3lib.ukonline.co.uk/

I think you will find that IBM uses SLIP access and not PPP.

Quote:>All this is fine, but is there any way to properly configure a connection for
>as large an ISP as IBM Global Network (Advantis)?  I really don't want to spend
>$$ on two ISP's (one for the PC, one for the PSION) and every response I see
>basically says "Go figure it out yourself."
>I would prefer some more specific information than "Why not try...?" as it is
>becoming frustrating to get PSION Inc. to believe that it should support this
>product more concernedly.  Money has been spent, promises made, and it is time
>to act.

>I can't connect to my provider, and it is not this should not be the case.

>IH

>>My Development Department tell me that there does not need to be a
>>script - a simple "Open network connection" should work in this case
>>because the Psion sends out an opening PPP packet.

>>However, the Psion does not retry if it receives no reply. Turn packet
>>logging on an produce a log. If it shows "Outgoing PPP packet" and no
>>more activity then there is a problem and the ISP is not reponding to
>>the Psion's opening packet.

>>All the best

>>Ali

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Contrary to an earlier post of mine (in c.s.p.c.), I /have/ managed to get PMI
to connect to my provider (Direct Connection, who support both PAP and
scripted logins) using PAP - BUT I only got it to work by sending a return
(Send "" with carriage return) after the wait for CONNECT and before the
Open Connection to get the PAP to fire up - something to do with "passive
PAP" I think. Also, it was very unreliable, often failing to connect (the problem's
not with my provider, because PAP logins work fine with Win95, Trumpet etc)
so I've returned to a scripted login which is more or less 100% Ok.
Perhaps PAP/CHAP are a bit too demanding for the humble Psion ?

Quote:> ... Wouldn't you have to have a "Get IP-address" in the script if you used
> dynamic IP?

Keep trying and good luck, Cheerio - Ross 8^)

Ross Baldwin, Senior Developer
Chase Computer Services Ltd.,
83-85 Mansell St.,
LONDON E1 8AN
Tel:   +44 (0)171 459 3842 (direct)
Fax:   +44 (0)171 459 3801

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Regards

Tony Globe