Help with BA/2 Pro

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Joe Barnha » Sun, 13 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Hi all --

I'm having some problems with BA/2 Pro 4.0d on eight or ten different
systems that I'm responsible for.  Our company has a vertical-market
solution, and we supply all of the hardware and software for the product,
including a DAT drive and BA/2 Pro for backup.

If anyone has workarounds for the following problems, please let me know:

1. Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server

BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

Additionally, even when we use the command-line parameters which
should restore the files, we get a "CRC error" on every restored file,
beginning with the first.  The blocksize et. al. parameters are set
identically, the SCSI chain is properly terminated, drivers the latest
version, etc.  Plus this same configuration works perfectly with the
PM interface.

2. Tapes Not Interchangable

I often need to take a fileset from one of our customer's systems back
to our office, or vice versa.  Occasionally, I run into a combination
of SCSI cards which will NOT read one another's tapes under BA/2 Pro.
An example is a computer equipped with an Always 3000 (AMD based) card
at our customer's site, and Buslogic 930 (Flashpoint), Adaptec 1542,
Adaptec 1460, etc. cards at our office.

The tape I made at the customer's machine backed up perfectly to a
portable Conner 4324 drive I carried to the site.  The tape was
verified after backup, and was fine.  Back at the office, with the
_identical_ tape drive and BA/2 Pro 4.0d software, the tape looked
completely blank.  No catalog... nothing.  I tried two different
tapes, and even took the tape back to the customer's site, where it
appeared perfectly normal.  I tried all combinations of blocksize,
compression, et. al. without effect.

3. CRC Errors On Good Tapes

If a tape has been used before, especially with a different backup
program, I often find it will give me CRC errors when used with BA/2
Pro.  Bulk-erasing the tapes will make them suitable for BA/2 Pro,
but I have not had to perform this step with other backup programs I've
used (mostly BackupWiz).

4. "Initialize" Step Never Finishes

The "initialize" step (from the Tape Control panel) is said to be a
good thing to do for any DAT tape before use.  It has something to do
with partitioning the tape for better QFA use, from what I understand.
I've tried this step on numerous tapes and drives, and it has never
finished this step.  I've used Conner 4324 and 4326 drives, as well
as an HP C1533 drive.  In all cases, I've waited hours for the process
to finish (even overnight once) and it has never finished.  The tapes
seem to work fine without initialization, but I wonder if I'm getting
the best performance out of the software without it.

5. Verify "Can't Open File", but Backup Can

On all of my full backups, I get numerous errors from the Verify pass
where BA/2 complains that it can't open a file, and thus can't verify
it.  However, these files are _already_on_the_tape_, indicating that
the Backup phase WAS able to open these same files, and was able to
read them fine.  Examples are NET.ACC (always locked by the LAN
software) and LOG0001.DAT.  Mind you, this is not a case where the
file has _changed_ between the backup and verify.  Those errors are
only signaled after the file has been opened and compared to the data
on the tape.  It sounds like a minor annoyance, but it makes it
difficult for me to create an automatic script that can reliably tell
whether the backup completed normally or with "important" errors.

6. Operation Errors Not Obvious

This morning I was beaten up by a user who had tried to restore a tape
and failed.  He used the "recover catalog" feature to read the catalog
from the tape, and a CRC error had occured.  However, after the CRC
error, the software told him "Catalog recovered successfully", which
of course was wrong.  He spent a long time trying to figure out what
had gone wrong, because he did not at first see the CRC error message,
or thought the software had successfully recovered the damaged area.

Does anyone have suggestions for workarounds for these errors?  If not,
do you have suggestions for backup software that might be more reliable
than BA/2 Pro 4.0d?  Overall, I like BA/2's interface the best, and I
like the concept and execution of the package.  It's just that these
problems have been dogging us for quite a while now, and tech support
does not seem to be capable of fixing them.

We've tried and discarded:

1. BackupWiz.  Very nice reliable program with an intolerable user
interface.  Users rejected this program as it's nearly impossible
to specify the files you want to backup and restore.  (Esp. restore.)

2. Novaback.  This program would not reliably function.  In addition,
Novastor changed the tape format on us, rendering all previous backups
unreadable.  Their suggestion was to "keep an old copy around, and
switch to it when you need it" (which requires a reboot, of course).

3. IBM ADSM.  A truly upper-crust program, but not suitable for a
single-system backup and restore.  IBM techs recommended we use BA/2
to backup the system that hosts ADSM itself!  I thought it strange to
require a different backup program to backup the backup program. <g>

Thanks in advance for any help.

-- Joe Barnhart

 Sr. Software Engineer
 Roos Instruments Inc.

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Dan Cas » Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:00:00



<SNIP>

Quote:>We've tried and discarded:

>1. BackupWiz.  Very nice reliable program with an intolerable user
>interface.  Users rejected this program as it's nearly impossible
>to specify the files you want to backup and restore.  (Esp. restore.)

>2. Novaback.  This program would not reliably function.  In addition,
>Novastor changed the tape format on us, rendering all previous backups
>unreadable.  Their suggestion was to "keep an old copy around, and
>switch to it when you need it" (which requires a reboot, of course).

>3. IBM ADSM.  A truly upper-crust program, but not suitable for a
>single-system backup and restore.  IBM techs recommended we use BA/2
>to backup the system that hosts ADSM itself!  I thought it strange to
>require a different backup program to backup the backup program. <g>

>Thanks in advance for any help.

>-- Joe Barnhart

> Sr. Software Engineer
> Roos Instruments Inc.

I have one system running BA/2 Pro with a Sony SDT 2000E DAT drive that
has NEVER worked properly. Narrowed it down to either bad driver for an
old, no longer manufactured drive, or a hardware problem with the
drive. About to give up on both.

On my system, I'm using Sytos Premium Backup and Disaster Recovery for
OS/2 with a WangDAT 3400D DAT drive and am VERY pleased with it. Or at
least I have been. There is a problem with this software in Warp 4.0
that Seagate is working on, and they promise a fix around Mid-October.

But the interface is easy to use, the drive/directory/file selection
for both backup and restore is VERY nice, and it will create a set of
utility diskettes to boot from and restore your entire operating system
from tape backup, should you ever have a catastrophic system crash.

Also has a scheduler to run unattended backups.

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Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Brian Ne » Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Quote:>I'm having some problems with BA/2 Pro 4.0d on eight or ten different
>systems that I'm responsible for.
>If anyone has workarounds for the following problems, please let me know:
>1. Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server
>BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
>restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
>started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
>completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
>to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

FWIW, I had the same problem with BA/2 Personal v4, even after
installing the latest patch from their web site.  No mouse (just a
cursor which looked like it didn't belong.)  
I gave up and went back to v3, which works just fine.

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Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by bben.. » Sat, 19 Oct 1996 04:00:00




>>I'm having some problems with BA/2 Pro 4.0d on eight or ten different
>>systems that I'm responsible for.
>>If anyone has workarounds for the following problems, please let me know:
>>1. Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server
>>BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
>>restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
>>started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
>>completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
>>to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

>FWIW, I had the same problem with BA/2 Personal v4, even after
>installing the latest patch from their web site.  No mouse (just a
>cursor which looked like it didn't belong.)  
>I gave up and went back to v3, which works just fine.

This is a problem OS/2 Warp v4, and we have already opened an APAR with IBM
regarding the lack of a mouse pointer.  It's pretty easy to reproduce this problem,
and we even wrote a short test case to demonstrate this.  Hopefully there will be
a Merlin fixpak soon.

Cheers,
Brad

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Brian Ne » Sat, 19 Oct 1996 04:00:00




>>FWIW, I had the same problem with BA/2 Personal v4, even after
>>installing the latest patch from their web site.  No mouse (just a
>>cursor which looked like it didn't belong.)  
>>I gave up and went back to v3, which works just fine.
>This is a problem OS/2 Warp v4, and we have already opened an APAR with IBM
>regarding the lack of a mouse pointer.  It's pretty easy to reproduce this problem,
>and we even wrote a short test case to demonstrate this.  Hopefully there will be
>a Merlin fixpak soon.

The above happened under Warp 3

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Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Byron Bo » Mon, 21 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server
>>BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
>>restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
>>started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
>>completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
>>to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

>FWIW, I had the same problem with BA/2 Personal v4, even after
>installing the latest patch from their web site.  No mouse (just a
>cursor which looked like it didn't belong.)  
>I gave up and went back to v3, which works just fine.

My experience also.

In addition, BA2 v4 only restores from the most recent set within
an incremental backup set.  I.e., if you need a file you haven't
worked on for a few days --- one that's in the second most recent
or earlier sets in the incremental backup file --- you're SOL.
BA2 v4 reads the file, but for some perverse reason won't write
it.  I reported the problem & they seem to acknowledge that it
indeed occurs but they're evidently too busy to fix it. BA2 v3 doesn't
do incremental backups.  

I bought the product specifically to do frequent, fast incremental back-ups
to an EZ drive of ongoing work.  So for me it's $40 down the hole & back
to DualStor on tape.

-bb

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Wes Ingr » Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Near)Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:36:54 -0400 writes:
:>

:>
:>>I'm having some problems with BA/2 Pro 4.0d on eight or ten different
:>>systems that I'm responsible for.
:>>If anyone has workarounds for the following problems, please let me know:
:>>1. Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server
:>>BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
:>>restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
:>>started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
:>>completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
:>>to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

Same here -- Compaq Deskpro 5100 (not networked).  The interactive clrest
never works -- unless I'm on the phone to CDS at the time.  The command line
restore works.  Why should this be such a problem?  I don't think it's
specific to Compaqs, either.  Backups go along deceptively smoothly.  What
good is a smooth back up if you can't restore it?  

My "fix" is to stick to the command line.

:>
:>FWIW, I had the same problem with BA/2 Personal v4, even after
:>installing the latest patch from their web site.  No mouse (just a
:>cursor which looked like it didn't belong.)  
:>I gave up and went back to v3, which works just fine.

Version 3 clrest doesn't work any better for me.

Wes Ingram

(916) 653-3972
(916) 657-2394 (fax)

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by tcamp.. » Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:00:00




>>I'm having some problems with BA/2 Pro 4.0d on eight or ten different
>>systems that I'm responsible for.
>>If anyone has workarounds for the following problems, please let me know:
>>1. Command Line Restore fails on Compaq Server
>>BA/2 Pro works fine on our Compaq Proliant server, until we try to
>>restore files from a floppy boot.  It will NOT restore files when
>>started from a floppy disk.  First of all, the mouse interface is
>>completely inoperative, and the keyboard interface does not allow us
>>to excersize all of the features of the command-line restore program.

I had this problem until I discovered that although they prepare the Utilitity
disks by copying the necessary drivers over (including the mouse driver),
they fail to modify the config.sys file to enable the mouse driver.

Just edit the config.sys file on the floppy (it should be on the 2nd floppy
which IBM tells you should be labeled "DISK 1" (apparently the first disk
is DISK 0?) and make sure you see lines which state:

device=pointdd.sys
device=mouse.sys

If they aren't there (and they're probably not) add them (I put mine at the
end). After doing this my BA/2 Pro 4.0d works fine when booted from
floppies to use the CLREST utility.

Good Luck
Tim

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Joe Barnha » Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:00:00



>I had this problem until I discovered that although they prepare the Utilitity
>disks by copying the necessary drivers over (including the mouse driver),
>they fail to modify the config.sys file to enable the mouse driver.

>device=pointdd.sys
>device=mouse.sys

Good try, Tim.  I double checked my config.sys, and these statements are
both present.  Even when I do the "alt-F2" trick, I can see them load.  Still
no mousie.


 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Byron Bo » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>>they fail to modify the config.sys file to enable the mouse driver.

>>device=pointdd.sys
>>device=mouse.sys

>Good try, Tim.  I double checked my config.sys, and these statements are
>both present.  Even when I do the "alt-F2" trick, I can see them load.  Still
>no mousie.

Same here, but I new enough to check before hand. I can't get the
clrest or whatever it's called to work in graphical or command line
mode.  The program is a complete peice of crap.

-bb  

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by ad.. » Fri, 25 Oct 1996 04:00:00




>>>they fail to modify the config.sys file to enable the mouse driver.

>>>device=pointdd.sys
>>>device=mouse.sys

>>Good try, Tim.  I double checked my config.sys, and these statements are
>>both present.  Even when I do the "alt-F2" trick, I can see them load.  Still
>>no mousie.

>Same here, but I new enough to check before hand. I can't get the
>clrest or whatever it's called to work in graphical or command line
>mode.  The program is a complete peice of crap.

>-bb  

If you use warp 3 utility diskettes and have BA installed on a warp 4 machine, then
you get (as I discovered) drivers of mixed "generations" and it will not work. If you
have a warp 3 machine and a warp 4 machine, then make the diskettes with the
warp 3 machine. In my case, I did backups over the network and the BA/2 was on
the machine that I had installed warp 4 on. So I got the mixed drivers and it did not
work except very badly. If you cannot do that, e-mail me, and I could zip up the
diskettes and send them to you. To restore it doesn't matter which command line
version of warp you boot up with.

Mark E. Adams
University of Calgary

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~adams/molbio.html

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by keef.. » Mon, 28 Oct 1996 03:00:00



>In all fairness, CDS has been good about helping me with my problems (and some
>had to do with hardware).  In fact, a CDS rep responded via e-mail to one of
>my posts to this group.  His contention:  "clrest works; the mouse driver
>screw-ups are IBM's fault."  No dispute there (although there could have been
>something in the documentation about the need to manually add mouse driver
>lines to the config.sys).  Just the lingering question, "couldn't clrest work
>a heck of a lot *better*?"

>Wes Ingram

>(916) 653-3972
>(916) 657-2394 (fax)

It's likely usage priorities. As long as the command line works fine and
the there is a semi-graphical interface as well which functions
acceptably (whatever that it is), you would figure the gui, wps and
scsi support would get the bulk of attention, and rightly so..
thats my guess...And the command line utilities have been steadily
progressing so there is some hope there as well..

Sonny

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Wes Ingr » Mon, 28 Oct 1996 03:00:00



Quote:17:58:22 GMT writes:

 . . . .

:>>>>device=pointdd.sys
:>>>>device=mouse.sys

   . . . .

:>If you use warp 3 utility diskettes and have BA installed on a warp 4 machine, then
:>you get (as I discovered) drivers of mixed "generations" and it will not work. If you
:>have a warp 3 machine and a warp 4 machine, then make the diskettes with the
:>warp 3 machine. In my case, I did backups over the network and the BA/2 was on
:>the machine that I had installed warp 4 on. So I got the mixed drivers and it did not
:>work except very badly.

  . . .

:>
:>Mark E. Adams
:>University of Calgary

:>http://www.veryComputer.com/~adams/molbio.html
:>
:>

Unless I missed something, no one has yet pointed out that a mouse is not
necessary to run clrest.  It can be run (in its own quirky way) with the usual
keystrokes.  I don't really care whether or not the mouse shows up.  I just
want my restore to happen (without my * pressure rising).  But, mouse or
not, getting clrest to find the right files, record all the right back-up
parameters, and get on with the back-up has never been painless for me.  The
cursor doesn't want to go to the right field, the option you want doesn't show
up, weird error messages show up, etc.  This is not a function of the mouse.
Anyone else experience these problems?  I come away from clrest thinking that
it is a pre-beta piece of code.  In fact, I don't bother with it anymore.  I
just use the command line.

In all fairness, CDS has been good about helping me with my problems (and some
had to do with hardware).  In fact, a CDS rep responded via e-mail to one of
my posts to this group.  His contention:  "clrest works; the mouse driver
screw-ups are IBM's fault."  No dispute there (although there could have been
something in the documentation about the need to manually add mouse driver
lines to the config.sys).  Just the lingering question, "couldn't clrest work
a heck of a lot *better*?"

Wes Ingram

(916) 653-3972
(916) 657-2394 (fax)

 
 
 

Help with BA/2 Pro

Post by Joe Barnha » Tue, 29 Oct 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>Unless I missed something, no one has yet pointed out that a mouse is not
>necessary to run clrest.  It can be run (in its own quirky way) with the usual
>keystrokes.

Except...

Quote:>The
>cursor doesn't want to go to the right field, the option you want doesn't show
>up, weird error messages show up, etc.  This is not a function of the mouse.
>Anyone else experience these problems?

Bingo.  You could use CLREST without the mouse, except the keyboard
commands don't work.  You're sunk.  Command line parameters are the only
way to use it, but you can't do nice things like LOOK at the tape and see
what backup sets are ON it.

By the way, for lurkers out there:

The MOUSE.SYS and POINTDD.SYS problems (i.e. no workie with BA/2 Pro
in command session) are a result of a change made to these files with FixPack
22 and later code.

If you revert to PRE-FIXPACK 22 versions, you will gain the use of your mouse
again when using CLREST.  I even did this to my Warp 4 system, and the old
FixPack 17 drivers I used work FINE.  It's probably due to one or the other
driver, but I haven't bothered to isolate it yet.