>>'Sun Microsystems Inc.'s long-standing plans to submit its Java language for
>>standardization via ISO are dead, according to Alan Baratz, president of
>>Sun's Java Software division.'
>>'"ISO killed them," Baratz said in an interview with IT Week at this week's
>>Java Enterprise Solutions Symposium.'
>>'The news means that the Java language is now little nearer to becoming an
>>officially recognized international standard than it was at its launch in
>>'Baratz said ISO recently changed the rules that would govern Java if it
>>were to be made an ISO standard. He said the changes were made late last
>>year, 12 months after Sun had been granted authority to submit its
>>technology for approval.'
>>'"A PAS [Publicly Available Specification] submitter must now turn over the
>>maintenance part of a standard to ISO [in addition to any current
>>specification]. That's something we've always said we wouldn't do," Baratz
>>'Baratz blamed ISO's change of heart on "the Wintel alliance" and Microsoft
>>Corp. in particular.'
>>'Baratz added that Sun was "struggling to find a way forward" for its Java
>>standardization plans. He said Sun was currently in talks with alternative
>>bodies, including the ECMA (European Computer Manufacturer's Association),
>>to find an appropriate organization. Candidate bodies must be willing to
>>ratify work turned over by Sun while agreeing to let the company create its
>>own rules for moving the Java platform forward.'
>>In other words, they're looking for a *-stamp.
>I was initally concerned about your post. But the news isn't so bad. You are
>probably aware that Sun and AOL and Netscape are being grilled by Microsoft
>right now over the DOJ case. This is likely news related to that grilling designed
>to show that Microsoft is still behaving in ways that are illegal for a monopolist.
>Java will eventually gain ISO certification. Regarding the monopolist -- the
>Seatlle Times and San Jose Mercury news and others were successful in getting
>all of the depositions regarding the DOJ Microsoft case released to the public.
>The stories are incredible! For example that 30 million plus donation to MIT was
>apparently payment for favorable testimony from the MIT expert witnesses.
The members of the discussion forum for the Java Study Group of JTC1-SC22,
the group in ISO that was working on this, seem to disagree with you. Nearly
universally, their comments condemn Sun.
You can read their comments for yourself by beginning with the following
and incrementing the numbers. There is a list of the members here:
This is their home page:
Here are some example comments:
"I'm now convinced that Sun is not interested in anything
that could take Java out of Sun's (proprietary) hands. The
Sun "open process" still gives Sun complete control over the
language evolution. Furthermore, it's not clear that Sun
-ever intended- to achieve ISO standardization."
David Emery, MITRE
"What it comes down to is one of two things:
Sun didn't get it the first time (when most countries
were fairly clear on this matter) ... and finally heard it
Sun really didn't want to go into ISO anyway, and
was just pulling the industry, et al's chain ...."
Jim Isaak, Computer.Org
"Sun didn't get it the first time. ISO has changed nothing. I think we've
been used, or maybe avoided being used."
Rick Sutcliffe, Trinity Western University
"A Microsoft *? Give me a break! Baratz should take another look
at the email record during the voting process. It was individuals like
Francis Glassboro, myself and others that pushed the "yes with comments"
position so hard, _NOT_ Microsoft." (and much more! Read this one!)
Eric Gufford, Triad Systems
In fact, of all the ones I read, there's only one which defends Sun at all,
and it's none too enthusiastic.
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