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EXCERPTS FROM Computer Reseller News ( January 11, 1193 ):
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Windows NT rollout set for Comdex/Spring
By Ed Sperling
Redmond, Wash.

        Microsoft Corp plans to officially launch Windows NT at Comdex/Spring
in Atlanta in May and intends to have the new operating system generally
available within several weeks of that date.
        Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the
demonstration version. In addition, it will need about 200M bytes of hard-disk
space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.
Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".
...
        "It will be usable", said a beta tester at a large bank. "But if you're
looking for high speed and high performance, that's coming later."
...
        [Tim Hudson] said Windows NT is almost certain to be a runaway success.
The only question is how long it takes for that to happen, he observed.
...
        "If it comes out full of bugs and needs several more major fixes, there
is an opportunity for OS/2 to take 50 percent of the market," said Jerrold
Grochow, vice president of corporate technology at American Management Systems
Inc., an Arlington, VA., integrator.

MY COMMENTS:
------------
        When PC reporters reviewed OS/2 2.0 last year, they complained about
OS/2's resource requirements. They also knocked OS/2 on its perceived speed
compared to Windows 3.1. I wonder what they will say about NT GA when they get
a hold of it. Will they have better things to say about OS/2 2.1? Will they put
OS/2 2.1 head to head against NT?
        Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
regardless of its short commings.

Quote:>    Microsoft Corp plans to officially launch Windows NT at Comdex/Spring
>in Atlanta in May and intends to have the new operating system generally
>available within several weeks of that date.
>    Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the
>demonstration version. In addition, it will need about 200M bytes of hard-disk
>space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.
>Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
>last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".
>...
>MY COMMENTS:
>------------
>    When PC reporters reviewed OS/2 2.0 last year, they complained about
>OS/2's resource requirements. They also knocked OS/2 on its perceived speed
>compared to Windows 3.1. I wonder what they will say about NT GA when they get
>a hold of it. Will they have better things to say about OS/2 2.1? Will they put
>OS/2 2.1 head to head against NT?
>    Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
>as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
>regardless of its short commings.

OS/2 2.0 was/is said to only be for "power users".  Will they compare OS/2 v2.1
to Windows NT v1.0?  It seems like NT will have too much extra to really
compare the two.

The above poster is right about Access.  I have heard of the *major* bugs
the program has, but it has been getting fantastic reviews in all the
PC rags...

Quote:

>EXCERPTS FROM Computer Reseller News ( January 11, 1193 ):
>-------------------------------------------------------

>Windows NT rollout set for Comdex/Spring
>By Ed Sperling
>Redmond, Wash.

        [...]
>    Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the
>demonstration version. In addition, it will need about 200M bytes of hard-disk

        I bet this'll be a doozy.

        And I was complaining about *Byte*...

Quote:>space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.

Quote:>Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
>last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".

Quote:>    "It will be usable", said a beta tester at a large bank. "But if you're
>looking for high speed and high performance, that's coming later."
>...
>    [Tim Hudson] said Windows NT is almost certain to be a runaway success.
>The only question is how long it takes for that to happen, he observed.
>...
>    "If it comes out full of bugs and needs several more major fixes, there
>is an opportunity for OS/2 to take 50 percent of the market," said Jerrold
>Grochow, vice president of corporate technology at American Management Systems
>Inc., an Arlington, VA., integrator.

>MY COMMENTS:
>------------
>    When PC reporters reviewed OS/2 2.0 last year, they complained about
>OS/2's resource requirements. They also knocked OS/2 on its perceived speed
>compared to Windows 3.1. I wonder what they will say about NT GA when they get
>a hold of it. Will they have better things to say about OS/2 2.1? Will they put
>OS/2 2.1 head to head against NT?

Quote:>    Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
>as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
>regardless of its short commings.

        It's not the all powerful universal app, but it would be
        a good program at a great price if it wasn't so buggy.  

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Quote:>    Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
>as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
>regardless of its short commings.

Yes, there are bugs.  Yes, Access is slow (the PC Rag said this too)--but
the power it gives you to mix multimedia aspects into a data base is, gee,
fantastic... and well worth the trouble.

Hey, does anyone know how Access runs on OS/2?

Joe

Quote:

>>        Microsoft Corp plans to officially launch Windows NT at Comdex/Spring
>>in Atlanta in May and intends to have the new operating system generally
>>available within several weeks of that date.
>>        Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the
>>demonstration version. In addition, it will need about 200M bytes of hard-disk
>>space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.
>>Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
>>last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".
>>...
>>MY COMMENTS:
>>------------
>>        When PC reporters reviewed OS/2 2.0 last year, they complained about
>>OS/2's resource requirements. They also knocked OS/2 on its perceived speed
>>compared to Windows 3.1. I wonder what they will say about NT GA when they get
>>a hold of it. Will they have better things to say about OS/2 2.1? Will they put
>>OS/2 2.1 head to head against NT?
>>        Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
>>as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
>>regardless of its short commings.

>I will be extremely annoyed if reviewers don't complain about NT as far as
>resources are concerned.

>OS/2 2.0 was/is said to only be for "power users".  Will they compare OS/2 v2.1
>to Windows NT v1.0?  It seems like NT will have too much extra to really
>compare the two.

Quote:>The above poster is right about Access.  I have heard of the *major* bugs
>the program has, but it has been getting fantastic reviews in all the
>PC rags...

Jeff

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Quote:

>    The resource requirements for NT and OS/2, excepting processor speed,
>    are about equal.  HD space-wise, memory wise--a system that runs OS/2
>    well will run NT well.  Processor speed?  Well, it's too soon to say.
>    We should expect NT to get a lot quicker than the current beta when they
>    optimize and take the debug code out.  

By the way I am using a very stable 2.1Beta on there now and its very very
quick (ie not much different to Windows3.1+Dos performance ((actually FASTER)))

But now come May I will get the latest greatest OS of All.

This NT takes at least 8 MB to crawl thing is starting to get
old... With Network Support disabled (sorry my home isn't on a
LAN yet...) NT runs fine in 8 MB.  I can run OS/2 16 bit text
editor, a DOS game, a Windows 3.1 app, and do an NT compile all
at once, its a little slower than the same under OS/2, but it
works fine.  I actually believe it WILL get faster when debug code
is removed and tuning is done...
The requirements for "usable" OS/2 and NT are the same NOW,
so you might as well get used to it.
                                -Jim.

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>EXCERPTS FROM Computer Reseller News ( January 11, 1193 ):
>-------------------------------------------------------

>Windows NT rollout set for Comdex/Spring
>By Ed Sperling
>Redmond, Wash.

>    Microsoft Corp plans to officially launch Windows NT at Comdex/Spring
>in Atlanta in May and intends to have the new operating system generally
>available within several weeks of that date.
>    Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the
>demonstration version. In addition, it will need about 200M bytes of hard-disk
>space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.
>Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
>last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".

Quote:>...
>    "It will be usable", said a beta tester at a large bank. "But if you're
>looking for high speed and high performance, that's coming later."

Quote:>...
>    [Tim Hudson] said Windows NT is almost certain to be a runaway success.
>The only question is how long it takes for that to happen, he
>observed.

Quote:>...
>    "If it comes out full of bugs and needs several more major fixes, there
>is an opportunity for OS/2 to take 50 percent of the market," said Jerrold
>Grochow, vice president of corporate technology at American Management Systems
>Inc., an Arlington, VA., integrator.

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Quote:

>    I bet this'll be a doozy.

>    And I was complaining about *Byte*...

>>space to accommodate the operating system, files and several applications.

>    In other words, about the same amount of space that is essential
>    for OS/2 and several Windows or OS/2 PM programs (given that NT
>    apps will probably NOT be any slimmer than Win31 apps).

Quote:

>>Pricing has not been determined, but at the Windows NT Developers Conference
>>last July, company officials said NT would list for "under $500".

>    $69 if you order now.

Quote:

>>        "It will be usable", said a beta tester at a large bank. "But if you're
>>looking for high speed and high performance, that's coming later."
>>...
>>        [Tim Hudson] said Windows NT is almost certain to be a runaway success.
>>The only question is how long it takes for that to happen, he observed.
>>...
>>        "If it comes out full of bugs and needs several more major fixes, there
>>is an opportunity for OS/2 to take 50 percent of the market," said Jerrold
>>Grochow, vice president of corporate technology at American Management Systems
>>Inc., an Arlington, VA., integrator.

>>MY COMMENTS:
>>------------
>>        When PC reporters reviewed OS/2 2.0 last year, they complained about
>>OS/2's resource requirements. They also knocked OS/2 on its perceived speed
>>compared to Windows 3.1. I wonder what they will say about NT GA when they get
>>a hold of it. Will they have better things to say about OS/2 2.1? Will they put
>>OS/2 2.1 head to head against NT?

>    The resource requirements for NT and OS/2, excepting processor speed,
>    are about equal.  HD space-wise, memory wise--a system that runs OS/2
>    well will run NT well.  Processor speed?  Well, it's too soon to say.
>    We should expect NT to get a lot quicker than the current beta when they
>    optimize and take the debug code out.  

Quote:

>>        Actually I already know what they are going to say. They will give NT
>>as favorable a review ( if not better ) as they have given MS Access,
>>regardless of its short commings.

>    At least Access forced Borland to bring it's * prices down.
>    Plus, Access is pretty neat.  It'd even be useful if it didn't crash
>    every three or four actions.  (The only Windows program that I actually
>    prefer to run under OS/2.)

>    It's not the all powerful universal app, but it would be
>    a good program at a great price if it wasn't so buggy.  

Uh, excuse me, but shouldn't that make same kind of difference in a
review?  A piece of software that is great in concept but so buggy as
to be unusable is, to put it bluntly, a piece of trash.  What is that
'great price' going to be once you have to buy all the bug upgrades to
get something that actually sort of works?

--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Quote:>But now come May I will get the latest greatest OS of All.