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Am urgently looking for a recommendable SCSI-tapedrive (2-4gb) and SCSI-
backup-software for OS/2.  No DAT.

Any experience the Seagate's TapeStore 8000RS ?
(There is no SCSI 4gb of Seagate)

What about Colorado 4gb SCSI ?
What about HP ?  Is HP only producing DAT?

(Noticed same negative messages regarding IOMega, so that will
not be my first choice).

Have been in contact with my OS/2-distributor but it seems to
be pretty difficult to find the right hard- and software combo.
We still haven't figured it out.

Alternatively I have to back out to IDE.

Regards,
Marcel Wulffraat

Tod Morcott
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   For me, this combo seems to work fairly well under Warp 3.0 and
Warp 4.0. It supports QFA for faster individual file retrieves.
I did perform one complete OS/2 restore from tape which worked fine.

Only complaint I have about BA/2 is that I think the cataloging
could be improved a bit to make it easier to see at a glance what is
on which tape when you have several tapes.

  Unlike the TR-1 tape drive I used before, I was disappointed to see
that there appears to be no way to selectively delete individual backup
sets on a given tape. You can add more sets, but you can only delete
all sets at once. (So far, I haven't found any software for
Windows '95 or OS/2 which allow this...)

   Overall I like it.

       -Greg Bohn

Marcel,

Quote:> Am urgently looking for a recommendable SCSI-tapedrive (2-4gb) and SCSI-
> backup-software for OS/2.  No DAT.

It is a great program for personal backups. If you are looking to back up
a network, you might see if CDS has a version targeted for that. BA/2 had
all the features I needed, with an easy to use interface. I also tried
BackupWiz, which had powerful scripting, but the user interface was poor.

BA/2 works with a ton of drives including many "non-DATs". It even works
with ATAPI/IDE drives.

I hope this was somewhat helpful. Good luck in your search.

   John

Why don't you want DAT?  How many other systems are supposed to be
sharing the tapes you make?  If you only use them for yourself, then
what difference does the media make?  If you have other drives, just
get one of them.

But good luck finding any such drive in a store.  I've never seen a
store sell a SCSi tape drive.  They're all floppy-based, parallel or
require a proprietary controller card.

You might contact APS Technologies (www.apstech.com) for some.  Their
prices are higher than local stores for the drives, but they sell
SCSI, and they do charge less than other mail order places.

Quote:>Any experience the Seagate's TapeStore 8000RS ?
>(There is no SCSI 4gb of Seagate)

>What about Colorado 4gb SCSI ?
>What about HP ?  Is HP only producing DAT?

>(Noticed same negative messages regarding IOMega, so that will
>not be my first choice).

>Have been in contact with my OS/2-distributor but it seems to
>be pretty difficult to find the right hard- and software combo.
>We still haven't figured it out.

SCSI-2 is a very nice standard.  As long as your drive conforms, you
shouldn't have any problem with software or interfacing.

Quote:>Alternatively I have to back out to IDE.

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Quote:

>Am urgently looking for a recommendable SCSI-tapedrive (2-4gb) and SCSI-
>backup-software for OS/2.  No DAT.

>Any experience the Seagate's TapeStore 8000RS ?
>(There is no SCSI 4gb of Seagate)

>What about Colorado 4gb SCSI ?
>What about HP ?  Is HP only producing DAT?

try these guys: http://www.corpsys.com

Regards,

Brent

For software use GTAR/GTAK/TarFront. You can get them from hobbes or leo.
They are a * to set-up but are:

free.
rock soild.
free.
tar format (backups are compatible with dos/win/unix/etc versions of tar)
did I mention they are free?

I can think of no real reason to use another backup program.

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The Conner TapeStor 8000 does 4 meg non-compressed.

I average 35 meg/minute with the Conner TapeStor 8000. I  use only BackAgain 2
Pro these days because the interface is easy to use. The only concern I have is
whether the TR4 media will be long term reliable.

If you don't have any other SCSI devices, you might want to look at the ATAPI
version of the Conner drive. I personally don't have any experience with it. Contact
the folks at CDS (BackAgain 2) and ask them. Their non-Pro version may handle it
fine (Less expensive than the Pro version).

DAT, while expensive as a device, is faster and probably more reliable. Since the Conner
tape drive is roughly half the price, I went with it. Tapes are more expensive than
dat however.

Now, I have a question.

Has anyone gotten the "Create Utility Diskettes" function of Warp 4
to work? I get floppy errors and cd rom transfer errors.  My floppy
and cd are fine.  Without these diskettes, a full system restore would
be a PITA.

Jim Smith

Quote:21:45:56 -0500 writes:

Thanks a lot for your above suggestion, which I seriously consider.
I've spent hours and hours on the web to search for the right
'combo' so to say. The OS/2-distributor here in Holland provided
me many fax-pages of software plus supported hardware, but regret-
fully the right combo is still not there.

Surely there is quite some software supporting DAT and DAT does
will have its advantages over 'normal' SCSI/QIC, but it also has
a big disadvantage: price.

Anyway, the OS/2-distributor also sent pages on Back Again Pro
but I did not find the Seagate 8000 on the lists.

Will check out their web-site.

Again tks.

Regards,
Marcel Wulffraat

(John Webb)Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:16:54 -0600 writes:
:>
:>Marcel,
:>

:>
:>> Am urgently looking for a recommendable SCSI-tapedrive (2-4gb) and SCSI-
:>> backup-software for OS/2.  No DAT.
:>
:>Well, I can't personally recommend any hardware, as I use a HP C1533
:>*DAT* backup -- which I *love* -- but I can recommend a good OS/2 backup
:>program: Back Again/2 Professional by CDS.
:>
:>It is a great program for personal backups. If you are looking to back up
:>a network, you might see if CDS has a version targeted for that. BA/2 had
:>all the features I needed, with an easy to use interface. I also tried
:>BackupWiz, which had powerful scripting, but the user interface was poor.
:>
:>BA/2 works with a ton of drives including many "non-DATs". It even works
:>with ATAPI/IDE drives.
:>
:>I hope this was somewhat helpful. Good luck in your search.
:>
:>   John

Thanks for the above. But I think DAT -in spite of their advantages
over the 'normal' SCSI/QIC systems- too expensive. For me, backing
up is not something which must be done quickly. Usually I am backing
up and in the meantime I am doing something else.

Nonetheless: thanks.

Regards,
Marcel Wulffraat

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Quote:>I've used BackupWiz and BackAgain 2 Pro with a variety of scsi tape drives...
>including Archive Viper 525, Wangtek 525, Wangtek 150 and Conner TapeStor
>8000. Both programs run fine.

Quote:>Has anyone gotten the "Create Utility Diskettes" function of Warp 4
>to work? I get floppy errors and cd rom transfer errors.  My floppy
>and cd are fine.  Without these diskettes, a full system restore would
>be a PITA.
>Jim Smith

Just yesterday I created the utility diskettes without problems, the
diskettes I used where used ones. I tested the new utility diskettes
in performing a test restore to a clean disk from my gtak/gtar backup
and they worked fine. Maybe a hardware problem?

Good Luck,
Horst

Quote:1996 16:29:42 GMT writes:

:>>
:>>Am urgently looking for a recommendable SCSI-tapedrive (2-4gb) and SCSI-
:>>backup-software for OS/2.  No DAT.
:>>
:>>Any experience the Seagate's TapeStore 8000RS ?
:>>(There is no SCSI 4gb of Seagate)
:>>
:>>What about Colorado 4gb SCSI ?
:>>What about HP ?  Is HP only producing DAT?
:>>
:>>(Noticed same negative messages regarding IOMega, so that will
:>>not be my first choice).
:>>
:>>Have been in contact with my OS/2-distributor but it seems to
:>>be pretty difficult to find the right hard- and software combo.
:>>We still haven't figured it out.
:>>
:>>Alternatively I have to back out to IDE.
:>>
:>>
:>>
:>>Regards,
:>>Marcel Wulffraat

:>>
:>
:>I've used BackupWiz and BackAgain 2 Pro with a variety of scsi tape drives...
:>including Archive Viper 525, Wangtek 525, Wangtek 150 and Conner TapeStor
:>8000. Both programs run fine.
:>
:>The Conner TapeStor 8000 does 4 meg non-compressed.
:>
:>I average 35 meg/minute with the Conner TapeStor 8000. I  use only BackAgain 2
:>Pro these days because the interface is easy to use. The only concern I have is
:>whether the TR4 media will be long term reliable.
:>
:>If you don't have any other SCSI devices, you might want to look at the ATAPI
:>version of the Conner drive. I personally don't have any experience with it. Contact
:>the folks at CDS (BackAgain 2) and ask them. Their non-Pro version may handle it
:>fine (Less expensive than the Pro version).
:>
:>DAT, while expensive as a device, is faster and probably more reliable. Since the Conner
:>tape drive is roughly half the price, I went with it. Tapes are more expensive than
:>dat however.
:>

Bought the Seagate TapeStore CTT8000S internal SCSI. Together with
Back Again/2 Pro for OS/2 it works great. Throughput rate during
backups is around 33mb/min in average.
(Take it that speed is influenced by the sizes of the files and
the fragmentation of the hd. I've got a lot of small files, messages).

Anyway, I would like to thank all out there who recommended me this
combo.

Regards,
Marcel Wulffraat