> On Sun, 13 May 2001 22:06:19, "David T. Johnson"
> | Based on the author's page, I don't even see how OS2.org can even know
> | that ThirdEye will run on eCS. The program website only lists OS/2 and
> | the eCS GA is unavailable for testing. The OS/2 Voice and OS2.ORG
> | announcements are a disgusting example of the bad effect that eCS is
> | having on OS/2...and eCS has not even been released yet.
> David: they're *announcement lists.*
No, they are not *announcement lists* Esther and you know it. They
are an endor*t by the owner/web site of the item being hyped.
Each owner/Web Site has the full ability to either stop the false
adverti*t or to correct the false information. Neither VOICE
nor OS2.ORG has stepped forward to do that. Those who read
and visit these sites take the information presented as near gospel.
Serenity, VOICE and OS2.ORG know that and are fully responsible
for lying to the OS2 public.
Quote:> They aren't reviews. They do not
> endorse products.
By running the adverti*ts they are by all means 'endorsing
the products' and don't try and smooth this over or cover for
Serenity's continued lying to the OS2 user.
Quote:>The announcements aren't confirmed, fact-checked,
> illuminated, examined, or anything else.
Bullshit. Let someone else try posting and getting a false
and misleading adverti*t through these sites and mailing
lists and Dodel or OS2.ORG will pull it immediately or issue
a correction or apology. Neither has happened. In fact, ORS.ORG
has fallen right behind VOICE and posted the near verbatim
announcement. Someone HAD to have approved that information
be put into place on that web site and to purposely mislead and
lie to the OS2 community is appalling.
Quote:> They serve the same purpose
> as comp.os.os2.announce.
The DO NOT serve the same purpose of c.o.o.announce. In fact,
Serenity has purposely avoided EVER posting ANYTHING to c.o.o.announce.
They use these newsgroups illegally to post announcement after
announcement and challenge and attack anyone who cries foul.
Serenity feels they are exempt from the fair rules of newsgroup
play and if they aren't given free reign to do as they please then
they will drum any opposer out and destroy them with lies, innuendo,
and downright false accusation.
Quote:> Someone wants to disseminate a message to the
> OS/2 community, and services like VOICE's help to get the word out.
And owners of such web sites are fully responsible for allowing
any such false information to be published on their services. They
are accountable for allowing that false information to be distributed.
Quote:> I have no idea who's moderating c.o.o.announce these days -- do you?
It doesn't matter who is moderating c.o.o.announce. There is a
in place and it is to be used. If the OS/2 community is unhappy with
the job the moderator of c.o.o.announce is performing they have right
to seek his removal but to try and brush this off as his fault is
erroneous - especially by you.
Quote:> Very few messages seem to be posted there. OTOH, VOICE's announcements
> have lots of traffic, and it's a useful way to keep up on the latest
> product releases, fixpack uploads, and so on. Judgement left to the
> discretion of the reader.
Bullshit. VOICE has been known to repeatedly lie to the reader
and Dan Casey was caught doing it and even publicly apologized.
Yet it didn't stop. He made sure the same lie he was reporting
on the mail list continued to be repeated in the VOICE newsletter.
That lie was that IBM's Software Choice was good for only one
year and the VOICE recommendation was for the OS2 user to
avoid that avenue of OS2 upgrade and follow the eCS purchase
where they could erroneously get a two-year's worth of upgrades,
enhancements and new features - the implication being such a
two-year upgrade plan came with every purchase, which it does
not. In fact, it costs more money then a SWC subscription which
comes AUTOMATICALLY with a two-year offering of upgrades,
new features and enhancements.
Quote:> It's just a bulletin board, for &deity's sake. If it's even vaguely
> OS/2-related (such as a Java editor), it's considered okay.
If it is 'just a bulletin board' then you won't mind if false and
misleading announcements concerning POSSI and Esther Schindler
begin appearing on all of these OS2 outlets.