Sign of the demise of Alpha

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David Turne » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 07:18:58



Got an email from a large company (*.bull)

Selling 250 x Alpha DS20 systems!!!

Does this, perhaps, show the confidence of Compaq
customers ???

I assume the fella is replacing them with P4 systems
I am guessing they are running Tru64 but it's still an Alpha !

DT

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David B Turner
Island Computers US Corp.
2700 Gregory St, Suite 180
Savannah GA 31404
Tel: 912 4476622
Fax: 912 2010402
http://www.islandco.com
dbturner-at-hpaq.net

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by Dave Gudewic » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:28:11


DS20s were replaced by DS20Es at least 3 years ago now.

I recall buying Es at the end of 1999 or thereabouts.

Dave...


> Got an email from a large company (*.bull)

> Selling 250 x Alpha DS20 systems!!!

> Does this, perhaps, show the confidence of Compaq
> customers ???

> I assume the fella is replacing them with P4 systems
> I am guessing they are running Tru64 but it's still an Alpha !

> DT

> --
> David B Turner
> Island Computers US Corp.
> 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180
> Savannah GA 31404
> Tel: 912 4476622
> Fax: 912 2010402
> http://www.islandco.com
> dbturner-at-hpaq.net



 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by Robert Deining » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:10:25




>Got an email from a large company (*.bull)

>Selling 250 x Alpha DS20 systems!!!

>Does this, perhaps, show the confidence of Compaq
>customers ???

>I assume the fella is replacing them with P4 systems

Or maybe DS25 or ES47 systems.  DS20 is well into middle age by now.  It's
not surprising that a company would be upgrading.

Quote:>I am guessing they are running Tru64 but it's still an Alpha !

Yes, Tru64 customers have an ugly migration somewhere in their future, no
matter what direction they go.
 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David Turne » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:14:10


Not my point

Then point is, they had no interest in trading up
Wanted "rid" of their Alpha systems

DT

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by JF Meze » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 11:41:33



> >I assume the fella is replacing them with P4 systems

> Or maybe DS25 or ES47 systems.  DS20 is well into middle age by now.  It's
> not surprising that a company would be upgrading.

If the person were upgrading a fleet of 250 DS20s, wouldn't such a deal
include negotiation with HP/Compaq to retake those units ? (at which point the
transaction for 250 old DS20s would be between HP/Compaq and Island, not
between the <former> customers and Island, correct ?

Would upgrading 250 units normally get enough of HP's attention to warrant HP
giving a deal to retake the older units ? Or would the customer be expected to
get rid of the units himself ?

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68. » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:46:29




> Got an email from a large company (*.bull)

> Selling 250 x Alpha DS20 systems!!!

> Does this, perhaps, show the confidence of Compaq
> customers ???

Hum, its good news, I'll probably soon replace my old 2100 4/275 by a DS20 ...

Patrick
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Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David We » Sat, 05 Jul 2003 19:56:13




>> >I assume the fella is replacing them with P4 systems

>> Or maybe DS25 or ES47 systems.  DS20 is well into middle age by now.  It's
>> not surprising that a company would be upgrading.

>If the person were upgrading a fleet of 250 DS20s, wouldn't such a deal
>include negotiation with HP/Compaq to retake those units ? (at which point the
>transaction for 250 old DS20s would be between HP/Compaq and Island, not
>between the <former> customers and Island, correct ?

>Would upgrading 250 units normally get enough of HP's attention to warrant HP
>giving a deal to retake the older units ? Or would the customer be expected to
>get rid of the units himself ?

As they say this depends. There are sometimes really silly reasons why you
can't do a trade in. For instance in the Education market Compaq changed the
rules so that you could either get a trade in or an education discount but not
both. The Educational discount on a new system is often better than the trade
in Compaq would give you so thats what people would go for. They would then
attempt to sell the old systems to whoever would give them the best price.

David Webb
VMS and Unix team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by Robert Deining » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 00:11:10




>Not my point

>Then point is, they had no interest in trading up
>Wanted "rid" of their Alpha systems

Their loss, your gain.  You probably got the systems for a good price, and
can arrange for their re-deployment with a fair profit for yourself.
 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David Turne » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 01:07:32


Point is we didn't buy them.
250 Systems here, plus 430 DS10L's were getting in the end of July/Beginning
August - for a small company like us, it's a big expense, and a hell of a
risk !

Unless anyone wants to buy say 250 DS20's for $2200 a pop ??!?!

Call me if anyone out there wants that many
We won't buy them on spec.

DT

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David J. Dachter » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 03:56:39





> >Not my point

> >Then point is, they had no interest in trading up
> >Wanted "rid" of their Alpha systems

> Their loss, your gain.

Well, not sure why DT would assume they are not running VMS, but I would
tend to see this as a loss all around, not just for them but also for
HP, OpenVMS and Alpha->Itanic.

Quote:> You probably got the systems for a good price, and
> can arrange for their re-deployment with a fair profit for yourself.

Now, if only those boxes could find new life as VMS machines.

If only... (Famous last words)

Y'know, I'm stilling thinking of startup a non-M$ computer store. U.S.
readers may remember a chain called ComputerLand from the middle 80's.
Imagine that happening again with focus on Linux, *BSD and (YES!) VMS,
perhaps also sub-contracting with someone else to provide Windows
Servers for those prospects who insist on insecure, unreliable
systems...

--
David J. Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

 
 
 

Sign of the demise of Alpha

Post by David J. Dachter » Sun, 06 Jul 2003 09:57:09



> Point is we didn't buy them.
> 250 Systems here, plus 430 DS10L's were getting in the end of July/Beginning
> August - for a small company like us, it's a big expense, and a hell of a
> risk !

> Unless anyone wants to buy say 250 DS20's for $2200 a pop ??!?!

> Call me if anyone out there wants that many
> We won't buy them on spec.

Wow! That's a half a megabuck-plus for the DS20's alone. That's a lot to
swallow for any company these days, much less on a declining platform
like Alpha.

I can tell you this much in a public forum: if I were in position to
start up my non-M$ computer store soon enough, I'd offer to strike a
deal of some kind. That'd make a kick-ass start-up inventory!

As Linux and/or *BSD server machines, I bet we could clear 'em out
handily. I doubt we could get HP onto the affordability bandwagon in
time to see a benefit to OpenVMS.

--
David J. Dachtera
dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/

Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

 
 
 

1. Computing article on Alpha demise

In "Computing" dated 5th July 2001 appears the following (pg 3)

Compaq sells off Alpha chip - Maggie Holland

Users have welcomed Compaq's decision to sell off its Alpha chip
division to Intel.

The hardware giant has radical plans to take on IBM by concentrating
more heavily on software and services. The approach has the full
backing of the Compaq user organisation (CUO), formerly DECUS.

CUO says Alpha will fill holes in Intel's Itanium technology and allow
both companies to concentrate on what they do best.

'For Intel to finally get a 64-bit chip fully working with a user base
is an amazing stroke. This is a fairly good move for the users on the
understanding that several Compaq systems will need to remain for at
least the next 10 to 20 years. With this development the potential
scope could see revivals and opportunities far wider than are
available at present,' said John Ferguson, vice president of CUO.
----- END---

John Ferguson is vice chair of DECUS UK (soon to be CUO if they get
their way). Interesting to see the user organisations taking the
Compaq party line without even bothering to consult the members. John
Ferguson specialises in PC solutions and Windows NT integration
according to the DECUS UK web site and his email is

So there we have it. I fully back Compaq's decision. I know this
because the vice chair of DECUS UK has just told me I do.
--
Alan

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