VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Peter LANGSTOEG » Sat, 06 Feb 1999 04:00:00




>I've read some news that it is possible to run OpenVMS on personal workstation
>433a. Tried to install OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. The CD could be booted from but after
>a while i got the following message:
>INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND A device on the boot line or in BOOT_DEV cannot
>be found in the config tables
>Console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0
>ignoring the device and not loading boot driver.

Same as with V7.1-2 !?
Can anyone with V7.2 and PWS433au try this and post info, too ?

Quote:>Configuration:  Digital Personal Workstation 433a

It's obviously a 433au, not a 433a.

Quote:>                Processor Digital Alpha 21164 Revision 7.2
>                AlphaBios Version: 5.65
>                Post Code Version: v5.90
>VMS-Console: Digital Personal Workstation 433au Console V6.8-41
>             built on May 21 1998

Current is V6.9-7. See

        ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/index.html
        ftp://ftp.europe.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/index.html

But I don't think, that upgrading the SRM will solve this problem.

Quote:>Are there any hints what might be missing?

Some time ago, I wrote of problems with my 433au. I think it is the
IDE CD-ROM (needs DQDRIVER floppy) or IDE-Controller (if INTEL-SIO) problem,

Only solution so far is, installing OpenVMS V7.1 (only with a lot of patches
and officially not possible/supported - eg. IDE does not work), V7.1-1H2, or
V7.1-2 with the help of an extra system (eg. AS200) or an extra SCSI CD-Rom
(eg. RRD45) and disconnecting the internal IDE CD-Rom only for the OpenVMS
installation...

For V7.1 and V7.1-1Hx (but officially not for V7.1-2, because DEC plans
to deliver only PCSI ECO Kits from V7.1-2 on) there is the ALPDRIV10_071
ECO kit with the SYS$DQDRIVER.EXE, which is newer than the one in V7.1-2 !!

HIH

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VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Jouk Janse » Sat, 06 Feb 1999 04:00:00



> I've read some news that it is possible to run OpenVMS on personal workstation
> 433a. Tried to install OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. The CD could be booted from but after
> a while i got the following message:
> INIT_IO_DB-F-CFG_DEV_NOT_FOUND A device on the boot line or in BOOT_DEV cannot
> be found in the config tables
> Console pathname IDE 0 4 0 0 0 0
> ignoring the device and not loading boot driver.

> Configuration:  Digital Personal Workstation 433a
>                 Processor Digital Alpha 21164 Revision 7.2
>                 AlphaBios Version: 5.65
>                 Post Code Version: v5.90
> VMS-Console: Digital Personal Workstation 433au Console V6.8-41
>              built on May 21 1998

> Are there any hints what might be missing?
> Thanks for any help

What type of CD-player do you use. I just got a new station 600au with
a Toshiba-CDRom. And guess: the driver for that one is not included
in VMS7.1-1h2 (it will be in VMS7.2). If you have such a CDRom you
have to contact DEC(or Compaq) to get a floppy with the driver and
installation notes.

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VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Uwe Leinberger Tel +49 171 404 23 » Sat, 06 Feb 1999 04:00:00



>I've read some news that it is possible to run OpenVMS on personal workstation
>433a. Tried to install OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. The CD could be booted from but after

(snip)
Does anyone out there do run a 433a (or a 500a or a 600a) with VMS, maybe after disconnecting
the IDE CD-ROM? And what graphics adapter was then installed?

Would be very interesting to know...

Cheers
Uwe

 
 
 

VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Gorazd Kikel » Sun, 07 Feb 1999 04:00:00





>>I've read some news that it is possible to run OpenVMS on personal
workstation
>>433a. Tried to install OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. The CD could be booted from but
after
>(snip)
>Does anyone out there do run a 433a (or a 500a or a 600a) with VMS, maybe
after disconnecting
>the IDE CD-ROM? And what graphics adapter was then installed?

>Would be very interesting to know...

>Cheers
>Uwe

DPW 433a is not supported on any version of OpenVMS, au series is.

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VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Hoff Hoffm » Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:00:00


:I've read some news that it is possible to run OpenVMS on personal workstation
:433a. Tried to install OpenVMS 7.1-1H2...
:Configuration:  Digital Personal Workstation 433a
..

  The "-a" series systems are (only) for Microsoft Windows NT.

  OpenVMS is not supported and not licensed and not tested and not
  expected to bootstrap on any "-a" series Personal Workstation.

  While the "-a" system may appear externally similar to the "-au"
  series, there are various differences.

 -------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------
 Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com

 
 
 

VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Wolfgang Reiman » Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:00:00



>   The "-a" series systems are (only) for Microsoft Windows NT.

>   OpenVMS is not supported and not licensed and not tested and not
>   expected to bootstrap on any "-a" series Personal Workstation.

>   While the "-a" system may appear externally similar to the "-au"
>   series, there are various differences.

OK! I think it's an "au". Bought it as an "au" but maybe refreshed
EEPROM or some other Basic "I/O"-stuff with the wrong, "a"-version.
The problem had been, as stated in this group, the CD-ROM (IDE).
After changing to SCSI OpenVMS comes up and runs fine. The only
problem i have is the X-display. It doesn't recognize any graphics
device, so the x-server doesn't come up. Do i have to apply any
additional patches? Got ALPBASE02_071,ALPSYSA02_071 and ALPMOTF03_U4012.

Thanks for any help,

Wolfgang Reimann

 
 
 

VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Peter LANGSTOEG » Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:00:00




>>   The "-a" series systems are (only) for Microsoft Windows NT.

>>   OpenVMS is not supported and not licensed and not tested and not
>>   expected to bootstrap on any "-a" series Personal Workstation.

>>   While the "-a" system may appear externally similar to the "-au"
>>   series, there are various differences.

>OK! I think it's an "au". Bought it as an "au" but maybe refreshed
>EEPROM or some other Basic "I/O"-stuff with the wrong, "a"-version.
>The problem had been, as stated in this group, the CD-ROM (IDE).
>After changing to SCSI OpenVMS comes up and runs fine. The only
>problem i have is the X-display. It doesn't recognize any graphics
>device, so the x-server doesn't come up. Do i have to apply any
>additional patches? Got ALPBASE02_071,ALPSYSA02_071 and ALPMOTF03_U4012.

I can't remember which OpenVMS Version you have. I assume V7.1-1H2.

*) Do you have an graphics device supported by OpenVMS ? I have an PS 4D50T :-(
*) Is SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM set to 1 ?
*) What does the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG tell you ?
*) Can you SET DISPLAY to remote system and then CREATE/TERM ?
        (=> is really only the server the problem ?)

-Peter

PS: ALPDRIV10_071 is for the IDE Bus Devices and therefore good for a PWS...
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VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Nigel Bark » Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:00:00



>OK! I think it's an "au". Bought it as an "au" but maybe refreshed
>EEPROM or some other Basic "I/O"-stuff with the wrong, "a"-version.
>The problem had been, as stated in this group, the CD-ROM (IDE).
>After changing to SCSI OpenVMS comes up and runs fine. The only
>problem i have is the X-display. It doesn't recognize any graphics
>device, so the x-server doesn't come up. Do i have to apply any
>additional patches? Got ALPBASE02_071,ALPSYSA02_071 and ALPMOTF03_U4012.

If it was an "au" that had been running UNIX you may not have a graphics card
that is supported by VMS. In particular the high end ones are not supported.
Supported 3D cards are the Powerstorm 4D20 & Powerstorm 3D30. If all you want is
a cheap'n'cheerful graphics adaptor so that you can run Motif then a generic S3
Trio64V may work for you. The PB2GA-JD is actually a #9 Motion 331 card. Note
that just any old VMS card will not work in particular the ZLXP cards will be
rejected by the DPW firmware at power on self test time.

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VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Fred Kleinsorg » Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:00:00





> > I can't remember which OpenVMS Version you have. I assume V7.1-1H2.

> > *) Do you have an graphics device supported by OpenVMS ? I have an PS 4D50T
> :-(
> > *) Is SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM set to 1 ?
> > *) What does the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG tell you ?
> > *) Can you SET DISPLAY to remote system and then CREATE/TERM ?
> >       (=> is really only the server the problem ?)

> > -Peter

> > PS: ALPDRIV10_071 is for the IDE Bus Devices and therefore good for a PWS...

> Hi Peter,

> OpenVMS 7.1-1H2

> *) PS 4D50T too, took me 15 Minutes to find out.
> *) SYSGEN is OK
> *) There is no
> *) SET DISPLAY works, the only way (nearly) to work with the system...

  Well, this must have been an NT or UNIX configuration.  You would not
have a errorlog because no graphics device would have been found.  You
should not be able to order this as a VMS configuration.

  If you replace the card with a PowerStorm 3D30 or 4D20, all will be
well.

 
 
 

VMS on Personal Workstation 433 a

Post by Hoff Hoffm » Sat, 13 Feb 1999 04:00:00


  The subject line still says 433a, which will *not* run OpenVMS.
  I'll assume 433au.

:*) PS 4D50T too, took me 15 Minutes to find out.

  There is no support for the 4D50T under OpenVMS.

*) SYSGEN is OK

  "OK" may not translate into "correct", but I digress.

*) There is no SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG

  I'll assume that DECwindows is being started, that WINDOW_SYSTEM
  is set to 1, and that the startup is returning various error(s).

*) SET DISPLAY works, the only way (nearly) to work with the system...

  Which is what might tend to be expected with an unsupported
  graphics controller...

 -------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------
 Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com

 
 
 

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