My wishlist for a new Amiga....

My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Christopher P. Mill » Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Here are my personal thoughts on what the new Amiga should include from
both a hardware and a software point of view.

Hardware:
--------

        The processor should become a PPC ASAP (How about that for TLA's!!).
The Digital Strong-Arm as used in the Acorn RISC-PC's is fast and cheap
running at (AFAIK) 235Mhz and costing 165 UKP, although I do not really
have any preference in this area.

        The peripherals should be standard with what is already available
within the market. I.E. A Serial or PS/2 type mouse. An AT or PS/2 type
keyboard. EIDE Hard drive and Atapi CD-ROM. PC type HD floppy drives.
This would make the cost of replacing faulty parts reasonable and will
encourage competition within the market place.

        Memory should be 8 Megs minimum and some way should be found of
removing the Chip-Ram and Fast-Ram limitations. If possible it would be
nice if the system could have one lot of ram for both purposes. I
understand the difference between fast and chip ram but one lot of ram
would be usefull.

        Memory should be upgradable using standard 72-pin EDO simms on the
motherboard.

        CD-ROM sound should be able to be piped through the motherboard and
mixed with the system audio as is the case on the PC.

        Standard video hardware should be upgraded to allow at least 800x600 in
true colour. It should also be able to be upgraded using third party
video cards as available atm.

        Monitor's should be standard SVGA type. We should get away from the
idea of a machine that can be connected to a TV. There is already a
market for living room games consoles and AI would be fools if they
tried tapping into this market. By producing a decent productive system
with nice hardware, games companies will tap into it themselves mush the
same as they have done for the PC-CDRom market.

Software:
--------

        Workbench 4 what ever that looks like should be entirely PPC native. It
should include some of the many enhancements such as MUI and MWB as
standard as this makes it look lovely. Apart from that, Workbench is
great as it is.

        I do not really know an awfull lot about what goes on underneath
workbench so will not comment on code level improvements that should be
made.

        A wide range of printer drivers should be included as standard for all
modern printers available on the market. I.E. HP Laserjet 5, Deskjet
1600 etc.

        Networking with Ethernet and TCP/IP should be built in as should
dial-up networking/PPP/SL-IP provision.

        A JVM (Java Virtual Machine) should be part of the operating system. It
is going to be the case for ALL platforms including Mac and PC that a
JVM will be essential for the future. Java is the future and so
Workbench and AmigaOS should support it from day one.

Marketing:
---------

        I am sure everyone will agree that the problem with Amiga in the past
is lack of marketing. I have only ever seen one TV advert for Amiga,
that was for CDTV and that I only ever saw once at some really stupid
time at night. If AI really want to get anywhere, they need to market
that machine as though there wasn't already loyal user base. It needs to
be marketed as though it were a completely new machine. The words:
"Internet ready", "Multi-media", "Family computer", "School homework",
"Home finances" need to be used in any marketing campaign. The worst
thing AI can do in the early days is make the Amiga specialised to one
market. It needs to be accepted for the great machine it really is and
accepted into the home market.

        Deals need to be done with people like AOL and Compuserve (even though
I hate both of these companies) in order to give the Amiga some presence
on the Internet through some of the bigger companies. This will help
with the Internet ready aspect of the marketing. This software should be
included as standard with the OS.

        Adverts for Amiga should be run alongside GW2K's adverts in top selling
PC magazines.

        The Amiga systems need to be sold as complete units. That includes Hard
Drive, CD-Rom and Monitor. However, this should be done by the dealer.
It should be made law that any PC sold must include as standard these
components and be marketed as having these components as standard and
not as extras. You would not consider buying a PC these days without a
monitor and hard drive would you.

Summary:
-------

        Being owned by one of the largest PC dealers around can not be a bad
thing for Amiga. GW2K has plenty of experience in the PC world and the
adverts they produce are testament to this. A lot can be learnt from a
company who has a foot in the market of the PC. It could be argued that
Escom also had a foot in the market, but lets face it, their PC's were
crap. GW2K's are not.

        It is going to be an interesting time for Amiga. Lets hope it does not
go pear shaped again.

        All comments in this posting are my own. All flames should be sent to
/dev/null but I will happilly take all positive comments.

Chris Mills

 
 
 

My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Jeroen T. Vermeul » Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:>    The processor should become a PPC ASAP (How about that for TLA's!!).

ASAP is not a TLA (Three-Letter Abbreviation).  It's a FLAC (Four-Letter
ACronym).  ;)

Other than that, most of us already have a fairly clear idea of what must be
done, but are not in the position to tell AI how to do it.  The "what <insert
Amiga mother company> should do NOW" type of post has expanded to a medium-sized
literary genre by now, but has produced very little except increased usenet
traffic.

If I had to make a constructive comment to this post, it would be:  Try to
concentrate on the things you're trying to say that are new to the reader, and
keep the rehashing to a minimum.  Otherwise you'll end up with a long article
that a patient reader must comb through to find one or two potential gems--look
at Timothy Rue's posts for an example of that.

Furthermore, think of the practical side of things (eg. everybody knows _that_
the Amiga OS should move to native PPC code as fast as possible, the only
existing question is _how_).  The only point to this kind of discussion is
dealing with limitations:  What if we can't realize all of these goals?  If we
have to chose, what is the smartest combination that we can attain within our
means, and how?  This is the part that takes the brains, and the background
information.  Without the latter, the former don't even come into play.

AFAICS your post can be summarized more or less to:

 - You agree with the "off-the-shelf components" school of thought.
 - You would like to see Amigas sold as more complete hardware/software bundles.
 - You approve of some aspects of CD32 and Walker (mixed sound, SuperIO).
 - You don't approve of some of the Amiga's low-cost capabilities.
 - You want the system to be upgraded.
 - You want the Amiga to be actually marketed in the future.

Each of these issues is either universally agreed on, or has already been
discussed at great length in these newsgroups.  It's important to learn that
some kinds of usenet threads are capable of running for infinite lengths of
time, and awakening them once they are asleep can fire them up all over again!

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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by nhatvi » Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:00:00



Quote:>    Monitor's should be standard SVGA type. We should get away from the
> idea of a machine that can be connected to a TV. There is already a
> market for living room games consoles and AI would be fools if they
> tried tapping into this market. By producing a decent productive system
> with nice hardware, games companies will tap into it themselves mush the
> same as they have done for the PC-CDRom market.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. What's so bad about running an
Amiga on a 27" TV with S-video?  :)

Quote:> You would not consider buying a PC these days without a monitor and
> hard drive would you.

Not unless I already had a monitor-type device lying around.

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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Allan Girv » Sat, 21 Jun 1997 04:00:00




> >       The processor should become a PPC ASAP (How about that for TLA's!!).

> ASAP is not a TLA (Three-Letter Abbreviation).  It's a FLAC (Four-Letter
> ACronym).  ;)

I was always taught that any TLA with more than three letters was an ETLA
(an Extended Three-Letter Acronym!)

There you go. That should kill the thread stone dead! ;-)

Cheers,

Allan.
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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Kevin Rochows » Sat, 21 Jun 1997 04:00:00


Or of course, you can hold on until the A/box which seems to neatly
contain all of your wishes (but we'll have to wait to see what the OS is
REALLY like). As for using off the shelf components, everything with the
exception of the Caipirihna chip is likely to be standard. (and hopefully
it'll be CHRP compliant too - pleeeeease!).

I do however have a small question. People keep going on about using
off-the-shelf components for video, audio etc - but these "standard"
chips are also CUSTOM chips that happen to be popular. If phase 5 try
developing their memory manager and it catches on, then who knows - maybe
it will become "standard" too. Innovate - not emulate.

Kevin

 
 
 

My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Nuno MT » Sat, 21 Jun 1997 04:00:00


I think that all our whislists should be summarized by the following:

We all know that what people want nowadays is POWER, and they wont stop
until they have the fastest machine available. Thats why Intel has been so
successfull in its maket.
The new Amiga _IS_ going to have a powerfull main processor (PPC wouldnt
be bad, has there is already some work made by Phase V that would speed up
the whole process of upgrade) that will be able to compete with the
existing line of processors from Intel.
It should also have a few coprocessors to set it apart from other machines
that will use the same main processor.
Top that with a VERY exciting entry asking price and youll have a real
winner.(like the Amiga 500 in its time - after 3-4 years after its
launch, it still was way ahead of the PC clones market)

Finnally, we all know what made the AMIGA _survive_ all these years, its
loyal user base, its unique operating system, and its ability to evolve
even without the support from a mother company, thats why we wont only be
buying a new computer only for "Internet ready", "Multi-media", "Family
computer", "School homework", "Home finances" but for something thats
still lacking in the PCs market like creativity,  and something that binds
all Amiga owners and users. We only have to get word of that out into the
World. (enough of philosofy :))

Like Commodore used to put it in a very old AMIGA 500 ad:
 - YOUR IMAGINATION IS THE LIMIT.

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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by George No » Sun, 22 Jun 1997 04:00:00





>>        Monitor's should be standard SVGA type. We should get away from the
>> idea of a machine that can be connected to a TV. There is already a
>> market for living room games consoles and AI would be fools if they
>> tried tapping into this market. By producing a decent productive system

I think Gateway 2000 would disagree with that... ever hear of Destination
PCTV? Don't knock the video capability.

Quote:>I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. What's so bad about running an
>Amiga on a 27" TV with S-video?  :)

I agree. It could be expanded in the future to include HDTV as well.

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>========= Piano accompanist, Amiga newbie, videogame hobbyist =========
>A3kD/030/25 MHz. KS 2.04/WB 2.1/8F+2C/120meg/HDFD/Zip/USR 14.4/BJC-4200

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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by go.. » Mon, 23 Jun 1997 04:00:00




>>        Monitor's should be standard SVGA type. We should get away from the
>> idea of a machine that can be connected to a TV. There is already a
>> market for living room games consoles and AI would be fools if they
>> tried tapping into this market. By producing a decent productive system
>> with nice hardware, games companies will tap into it themselves mush the
>> same as they have done for the PC-CDRom market.

I think they should keep the composite output. It's good for putting
graphics onto VHS.

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My wishlist for a new Amiga....

Post by Alex Howe » Thu, 26 Jun 1997 04:00:00



: >
: >>      Monitor's should be standard SVGA type. We should get away from the
: >> idea of a machine that can be connected to a TV. There is already a
: >> market for living room games consoles and AI would be fools if they
: >> tried tapping into this market. By producing a decent productive system
: >> with nice hardware, games companies will tap into it themselves mush the
: >> same as they have done for the PC-CDRom market.

I agree, the monitor should be SVGA NI output.  So that the Amiga can
easily take any monitor out there.  Possibly add the VESA standard for the
enviro-friendliness.

: I think they should keep the composite output. It's good for putting
: graphics onto VHS.

I disagree here, you're picking a standard that's ancient.  The better of
the two currents would be SVHS or a plug in card to offer it and/or HDTV.

Remember, the Amiga has a good set of graphics, but look at how many
people don't use them with video cards.  You see, if they make something
inside the machine, some third party will waste it with better and better.
It's better to not limit the machine immediately this way.  It is better
to leave this in the air.

Alex...

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