Very Computer

Gentlemen, after several complains and talking with Mindspring, It seems
to be that we have succeeded in making them to take an action against
Timothy Rue's abusive and irrational behavior.

My apologies if this message is once again off topic, but I feel that I
have to let you know.

Enclosed is the reply to my latest complain from Mindspring.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:44:27 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Issue 990215-3175718

Hello,

Quote:> Dear Sirs,

> Will you be able to put an end to this on going abuse of netiquette and
> posting rules and guidelines?

The posting privileges of this customer have been suspended until we are
sure they are familiar with and willing to abide by our Appropriate Use
Policy.

Quote:> You subscriber is continuously abusing and insulting the whole newsgroup
> including several developers and using foul language, and in one of
> inclosed posts he is posting private communication of personal email
> publicly in the newsgroup without obtaining the original author's
> written permission.

> Let me quote this part from your web page.

> http://www.mindspring.net/aboutms/policy.html

> ________

> =46lames, hostile attacks, or invectives aimed at a group or an =
> individual
> poster, are generally considered inappropriate in MindSpring service
> groups
> _________

> As you see by now, that you subscriber is violating your own terms and
> policies.

I suggest you go back and re-read the section of our AUP you are
quoting, it
very explicitly states "MindSpring service groups," which consist of a
handful
of internal newsgroups, not USENET at large.

Quote:> There are several individuals who are willing to confirm the above.

> Please consider either a written warning to your subscriber to stop this
> irrational and unacceptable behavior, or take the necessary measures
> that you see appropriate to end this ongoing rampage.

> And please do not reply with the same usual advice to use a killfile, as
> these posts from Mr. Rue are far beyond the purpose of this news group
> existed for, not to his continuous violations of netiquette and abusive
> and foul language usage, they do not fit here, nor does this fall under
> the free speech approach.

> The fact is that he is giving your organization a bad name considering
> the fact that several to take an action against this individual were
> ignored by you so far.

No reports have been ignored.  However, the vast majority of reports,
yours
included, did not contain evidence of an AUP violation and are better
handled
through the use of killfiles.

Regards,

--
Tom TaTom             Systems Administration     404-815-0770
800-719-4664

            http://www.mindspring.com/aboutms/policy.html
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Thank you.

--

Aram Iskenderian.

Team *AMIGA*.

 Congrats, all I ever got from them was a standard reply.

On Tue, 16 Feb 99 21:22:04 -0500,

To be honest, I was quite surprised by their action this time, this was
my xx th try complaining to Tom at Mindspring, and I was seriously
considering escalating the level of contact to some sort that will put
an end to this unacceptable situation as Timothy made profanity and
attacking Gary, KOSH, and Tim Corringham, and posting private emails in
public as part of his daily posts here.

--

Aram Iskenderian.

Team *AMIGA*.

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, the following was written in Aram Iskenderian's
ump*th letter to comp.sys.amiga.misc

(See Aram Iskenderian, chapter 3 - "Netcom", verses 12 to 43):

Quote:>Gentlemen, after several complains and talking with Mindspring, It seems
>to be that we have succeeded in making them to take an action against
>Timothy Rue's abusive and irrational behavior.

So he'll get a new isp. What's the big deal?

I have to say you're all being a bit arsey about this. Like, you need
the help of his ISP to ignore him!
--
Lion

Enter the Lion's den!!! - This months rant: Being Broke!!!!!!
http://lionsden.*page.net

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:54:26 +0000, Lion

Well said!  

Personally, I don't even get it.  Every time I look at his and related
posts, I can't even find any interesting discussion.  So I find it
pretty easy to ignore.

Craig

Quote:>On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, the following was written in Aram Iskenderian's
>ump*th letter to comp.sys.amiga.misc
>(See Aram Iskenderian, chapter 3 - "Netcom", verses 12 to 43):
>>Gentlemen, after several complains and talking with Mindspring, It seems
>>to be that we have succeeded in making them to take an action against
>>Timothy Rue's abusive and irrational behavior.
>So he'll get a new isp. What's the big deal?
>I have to say you're all being a bit arsey about this. Like, you need
>the help of his ISP to ignore him!

It does seem to be a bit of an obsession for some to pursue him.  personally I
just killfiled everything coming from Mindspring since Tim seems to be the
only Amiga poster there.

Trust me, it's not all that difficult to use killfiles and Tim
doesn't(usually) change his posting name so this killfile seems to work.

Now if only others would quit replying to him...

<TSB>
Greg Tallent     |Amiga2000 GVP 040/33mhz/3.1 72 megs,4 gig/OpalVision|

Synonym: a word you use if you can't spell the other one.

Thats right! If no one answers his posts there just wont be any fun in
it anymore for Tim. Hell probably go mad and start doing more of the
MILK IT kind of things, but actually, I quite like it...its ART ;-)

Justin

Maybe hell even start using a Hotmail adress and start posting via
DEJANEWS!

Justin

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:54:26 +0000,

Nothing, I never said he cannot, but that'll hopefully teach him a
lesson.

Quote:>I have to say you're all being a bit arsey about this. Like, you need
>the help of his ISP to ignore him!

I have to say that I don't need any help from anyone, but I was fed up
with his never ending flames.

--

Aram Iskenderian.

Team *AMIGA*.

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:11:01 GMT,

<Snip>

[Mindspring and Timothy Rue]

Quote:>They seem to be saying it's okay to *in Usenet, but not in their
>own internal Mindspring newsgroups.

That's what made me suspicious, but so far it is working.

--

Aram Iskenderian.

Team *AMIGA*.

I'll try to control my anger, reading such completely misinformed and
provoking posts, but no promises.

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:34:32 GMT,

I don't know what gave you that idea that *I* stopped "someone" from
posting "on" USENET!

It was Mindspring's abuse department responding to the large amount of
complains about your precious Timothy Rue, including my complain.
Try to read better.
Geez.

Quote:>Sure, Tim may have been out of line to carry on the way he has,

FYI, Tim was never anything but out of line, he never posted anything
useful, that was no problem but recently he was more abusive and
insulting than ever, and to him and to several the fault of lots of
people leaving these newsgroups is attributed.

Quote:>but that is the way of usenet no matter what rules people try to apply.

No one is trying to apply any rules, so spare us your *
theories please.

If it's OK for you that timothy was spewing all that vulgar foul
language and his unprovoked and unwarranted attacks against anyone in
this news group, then maybe you should read some faqs about newsgroups,
USENET, netiquette, and the purpose of this particular newsgroup to
start with.

Let me spell it out for you, so far Timothy has done the following:

1.Attacked *everyone* in these newsgroups, provoked or not.
2.Post large and huge messages to this newsgroup, and others.
3. Spammed several newsgroups with his off topic rants, look at his
"alt.neo-tech" cross posts and forwarded messages which you replied to
one of them.
4. 99.999% of his messages are off topic.
5. Used profanity and foul language, even respected ladies like Asha nd
Joanne got their share of  his insults.
7.Damaged almost every thread with his * theories.
9. Attacked almost every remaining developer or Amiga supported reading
here, including Tim Corringham, Fleecy(what has he against him is still
beyond everyone here), Sam Jordan, Neil, CA Wright, even Dr. Havemose
got couple of his provoking messages.

Do you have a problem in understanding the above?
I so then I can't help you.

Quote:>The point is, if you and other members of Usenet did not reply to his posts,
>none of this would be necessary.

I don't know about you, but when someone insults me in public, I cannot
stand reading that.

Quote:>I've seen a lot of your posts, Aram, and you are just as guilty as Tim,

This is rich, so I assume you can back up this claim that I posted
insults and profanity in these news groups?

If so please do, if not then apologize and in public.

I'm not holding my breath though.

Quote:> regards posting pointless mails i.e, replies like:-
> "I agree :-)" etc.

Mails?
This is USENET, and someone who is trying to disguise as an expert
should know the difference from "mails" and "posts", and I think that
even you agree on this.

Everyone from time to time does post "I agree", but speaking of
pointless, can you educate the rest of us, the less intelligent people
here other than you, what was the point in this post(flamebait) of
yours?
The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Quote:>I think it is time you, and your associate Anti T.Rue colleagues grew up.

Maybe you should heed you own advice, and start learning how to read and
take a lesson or two in logic while you are at it, I can assure you that
you are probably half my age, so spare me such provoking and childish
statements like the above.

Quote:>At the same time, I am guilty of replying to said Rue,

Then what is this rampage of yours about?
I don't want to repeat what I wrote 12 Lines ve this one.

Quote:> however I chose to ignore his mindless babble.
> It did not take long for Rue to forget about me.
>Take a leaf out of my book and do the same.

I did the same, however, Tim continued attacking me and others left and
right, just because the fact that you have some reading problems doesn't
make anything you say true.

Quote:>I can't help thinking that a lot of "Anti Rue" people actually get enjoyment
>out of his posts and purposely taunt him.

Another * theory?
This is getting ridiculous.

Quote:>It's time you got serious about your convictions don't you think?

It is time for you to read before you post, and get your facts straight,
and please do not reply in more provoking statements like the above, if
you have something intelligent, then please post, if not, direct your
further off topic posts like the above to email, you're welcome to do
that, otherwise I can't help but killfiling you if you continue to post
messages like the above.

This newsgroups looks much better now Timothy is away, and if you are
trying to start a flame war to plague it once again, then I am afraid
you'll fail.

--

Aram Iskenderian.

Team *AMIGA*.

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, the following was written in Aram Iskenderian's
ump*th letter to comp.sys.amiga.misc

(See Aram Iskenderian, chapter 3 - "Netcom", verses 12 to 43):

Quote:>>I have to say you're all being a bit arsey about this. Like, you need
>>the help of his ISP to ignore him!

>I have to say that I don't need any help from anyone, but I was fed up
>with his never ending flames.

Sure you need help from his ISP. You can't trust yourself to ignore him
so you need his ISP to kick him off.

I'll tell you how I work it. Any post with his name in the header, I
close before reading.

Simple.
--
Lion

Enter the Lion's den!!! - This months rant: Being Broke!!!!!!
http://lionsden.*page.net

Just keep reading ...

Quote:>> regards posting pointless mails i.e, replies like:-
>> "I agree :-)" etc.

>Mails?
>This is USENET, and someone who is trying to disguise as an expert
>should know the difference from "mails" and "posts", and I think that
>even you agree on this.

>Everyone from time to time does post "I agree", but speaking of
>pointless, can you educate the rest of us, the less intelligent people
>here other than you, what was the point in this post(flamebait) of
>yours?
>The word hypocrite comes to mind.

You couldn't even write ten more lines without proving his point.

[ ... lots of other drivel deleted ... ]

I do not at all want to advocate any of the stuff Tim has written,
but I think some of the people like you who have been actively
pursuing Tim really need to reflect on how you portray yourselves in
these newsgroups as well.

Craig