A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Ian Kenne » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 06:12:48



I saw the add in the latest AmigaWorld. What was it? $5500.00 for
an A3000/25/200 with a C= multiscan monitor? It didn't say how
much ram so I'll be generous and say 6MB.

I got into work today and was flipping through a local computer
rag, "Puget Sound Computer User". ON the back cover there was
an add for a local clone company. They've been around for quite
a while and are very reliable. Here is what they had, there most expensive
system:

For $2349.00:
"The Screamer"
* Intel 486DX-50, 256K cache
* 4 MB RAM, expandable to 64MB
* 1.2MB and 1.44MB floppys
* 130MB 15ms HD
* 16bit SVGA with 1MB
* 14" SuperVGA monitor (1024x768)
* 101 key keyboard.
* MS -serial mouse
* DOS 5/ Win 3.1
* Tower case with 250 Watt PS.

Drop the speed to 33Mhz and the cache to 64K and it
costs $1895.00!

Just what is C= smokin'?
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A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Gregg Gil » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 10:02:58



>I saw the add in the latest AmigaWorld. What was it? $5500.00 for
>an A3000/25/200 with a C= multiscan monitor? It didn't say how
>much ram so I'll be generous and say 6MB.

>Just what is C= smokin'?

   Fools pay MSRP.
   BTW, have any copies of yesterday's OUTLAND shown up at Microsoft yet? :-)

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A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by fheitk.. » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 16:03:36



> I saw the add in the latest AmigaWorld. What was it? $5500.00 for
> an A3000/25/200 with a C= multiscan monitor? It didn't say how
> much ram so I'll be generous and say 6MB.

> I got into work today and was flipping through a local computer
> rag, "Puget Sound Computer User". ON the back cover there was
> an add for a local clone company. They've been around for quite
> a while and are very reliable. Here is what they had, there most expensive
> system:

> For $2349.00:
> "The Screamer"
> * Intel 486DX-50, 256K cache
> * 4 MB RAM, expandable to 64MB
> * 1.2MB and 1.44MB floppys
> * 130MB 15ms HD
> * 16bit SVGA with 1MB
> * 14" SuperVGA monitor (1024x768)
> * 101 key keyboard.
> * MS -serial mouse
> * DOS 5/ Win 3.1
> * Tower case with 250 Watt PS.

> Drop the speed to 33Mhz and the cache to 64K and it
> costs $1895.00!

        Yeah well so what?  I still wouldn't want a piece of *intel
        box.  You got to have someone with a CS degree to set the thing
        up.  I get a charge out of the 5 page articles trying to explain
        away all the extended/expanded, UMBs, device drivers you have to
        play with like it is some kind of advantage you get when you buy a
        clone.  You got a 40 Mip CPU, that runs like it's a 10.  And yes SVGA
        is fantastic; On a 800 x 600 screen at a normal distance from a
        14" monitor, you can't read sh*t.   Oh and they did a great job
        with windows.  It is *so* intuitive.  You buy an SVGA card and yes,
        there's a driver for windows, but no the fonts don't work.  Now
        I have to get the CS guy to edit the windows.ini file.  And they
        sell you windows for $59.00  Assuming you have already bought DOS
        for $59.00.  And then, if you want to buy real apps, they're $395.00.
        I really do think that low admission fee is misleading....

        Whew! Sorry, just blowin smoke.  I *do* feel better now.  Someone
        give me that intel box, and I will quietly go away...

                Fred

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> Just what is C= smokin'?
> --
> /* It's not a cruise... It's the Love Boat*/

> /* I want my 32bit chip set               */

 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Gregory G Gree » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 23:59:10


Quote:>>I saw the add in the latest AmigaWorld. What was it? $5500.00 for
>>an A3000/25/200 with a C= multiscan monitor? It didn't say how
>>much ram so I'll be generous and say 6MB.

>>Just what is C= smokin'?

>   Fools pay MSRP.

        True, but that system should be selling for half that price.  How
   many dealers are going to discount by 50%?  Commodore's prices are out
   of wack with reality, whether thats because their smoking somthing funny
   or not, I don't know. :)

                                                        G.Greene

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A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Thomas VanNess Leavi » Wed, 05 Aug 1992 18:37:45


A 3000T/200 with 2 (?) megs can be aquired for under $3850 from the
right sources.  CBM's SRP is way off... but then again, if you take
a 486-50 in a server configuration with local bus, from a reputable
dealer, you wind up around $3000 anyway.

3000/25/52 go for less than $2000 retail.

Thom
M

 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by avo.. » Thu, 06 Aug 1992 00:47:07



> I saw the add in the latest AmigaWorld. What was it? $5500.00 for
> an A3000/25/200 with a C= multiscan monitor? It didn't say how
> much ram so I'll be generous and say 6MB.

> I got into work today and was flipping through a local computer
> rag, "Puget Sound Computer User". ON the back cover there was
> an add for a local clone company. They've been around for quite
> a while and are very reliable. Here is what they had, there most expensive
> system:

> For $2349.00:
> "The Screamer"
> * Intel 486DX-50, 256K cache
> * 4 MB RAM, expandable to 64MB
> * 1.2MB and 1.44MB floppys
> * 130MB 15ms HD
> * 16bit SVGA with 1MB
> * 14" SuperVGA monitor (1024x768)
> * 101 key keyboard.
> * MS -serial mouse
> * DOS 5/ Win 3.1
> * Tower case with 250 Watt PS.

> Drop the speed to 33Mhz and the cache to 64K and it
> costs $1895.00!

> Just what is C= smokin'?
> --
> /* It's not a cruise... It's the Love Boat*/

> /* I want my 32bit chip set               */

What company posted the AMIGA ad?  Was it for a 3000T or a regular 3000?
 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Gregory G Gree » Thu, 06 Aug 1992 23:58:25


Quote:>>   Fools pay MSRP.
>>   BTW, have any copies of yesterday's OUTLAND shown up at Microsoft yet? :-)

>RE: MSRP. Yeah, but if you are looking through computer rags for price
>information and see this it would tend to be a bit discouraging,
>particularly if you we not familliar with the Amiga and its
>street prices. How much would this A3000T be in a shop?

        There are 2 configurations of the A3000T at the nearest Amiga dealer
   to me.  These prices are what they sell them for, not MSRP.

        A3000T - 68040, 200meg HD, 5 megs RAM, Monitor
        selling for $5100

        A3000T - 68030, 200meg HD, 5 megs RAM, Monitor
        selling for $3900

   You've got to be a diehard Amiga fan to pay those prices.

                                                G.Greene

>/* It's not a cruise... It's the Love Boat*/

>/* I want my 32bit chip set               */

 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Thomas VanNess Leavi » Fri, 07 Aug 1992 06:48:41



Quote:>>>   Fools pay MSRP.
>>>   BTW, have any copies of yesterday's OUTLAND shown up at Microsoft yet? :-)

>>RE: MSRP. Yeah, but if you are looking through computer rags for price
>>information and see this it would tend to be a bit discouraging,
>>particularly if you we not familliar with the Amiga and its
>>street prices. How much would this A3000T be in a shop?

>    There are 2 configurations of the A3000T at the nearest Amiga dealer
>   to me.  These prices are what they sell them for, not MSRP.

>    A3000T - 68040, 200meg HD, 5 megs RAM, Monitor

                 ^^^^^
                 !!!!!

Excuse me, but haven't I been hearing massive whines about CBM not producing
an '040 machine?  About it being mythical?

Quote:>        selling for $5100

         --> so what is the list price of a Quadra 900?
             -->subtract $1000 from that price for a 24bit board,
                and let's see which machine is more competitive.
             -->I want to see AmigaDos running off an '040... should
                pound Sys 7... can Amix run off an '040 yet, or not?
-->and yes, you have to compare to the 950, and not the 700, since the T is a
   tower.

-->where is the regular 3000/'040?  Or do they make one?

>        A3000T - 68030, 200meg HD, 5 megs RAM, Monitor
>        selling for $3900

>   You've got to be a diehard Amiga fan to pay those prices.

>                                            G.Greene

>>/* It's not a cruise... It's the Love Boat*/

>>/* I want my 32bit chip set               */

 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Ian Kenne » Thu, 06 Aug 1992 06:42:34



>   Fools pay MSRP.
>   BTW, have any copies of yesterday's OUTLAND shown up at Microsoft yet? :-)

Yep! I have a copy posted on my office window, there's a copy in the
the kitchen for this wing of the building. I think everyone here thought
it was pretty cool, except maybe Bill....

RE: MSRP. Yeah, but if you are looking through computer rags for price
information and see this it would tend to be a bit discouraging,
particularly if you we not familliar with the Amiga and its
street prices. How much would this A3000T be in a shop?

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A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Gregory G Gree » Fri, 07 Aug 1992 11:04:28


Quote:>>        There are 2 configurations of the A3000T at the nearest Amiga dealer
>>   to me.  These prices are what they sell them for, not MSRP.

>>        A3000T - 68040, 200meg HD, 5 megs RAM, Monitor
>                 ^^^^^
>                 !!!!!

>Excuse me, but haven't I been hearing massive whines about CBM not producing
>an '040 machine?  About it being mythical?

     The dealer said it was just released.

Quote:>>        selling for $5100
>         --> so what is the list price of a Quadra 900?

     When did the competition suddenly become just MAC or Amiga?
     How about pricing a loaded 50/486 EISA system, they are certainly
     a lot less then $5100.

Quote:>-->and yes, you have to compare to the 950, and not the 700, since the T is a
>   tower.

     Alright, I don't mind that.  Lets toss in a 50/486 EISA system for
     comparison also.      

        Gateway 2000 50/486DX2, 8 meg ram, 340MB 15ms SCSI HD, 32-bit EISA
                     SCSI controller, Non-Interlaced Monitor.  This is also
                     also a tower model.
                     add OS2 2.0 for 49.95, add PAS-16 sound card for $200
                     Total $3850

                                                        G.Greene

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas VanNess Leavi » Fri, 07 Aug 1992 17:27:04


33% more expensive than the EISA system... but, probably outperforms it,
again, you can't beat clone prices, but the if CBM can come between those
Quadras and the clones, it isn't doing too bad.  What about the Next?

If Amix ever gets upgraded to support an '040, then it might be be a
decent Unix system.  You can't really complain that there is no machine
stock available that doesn't take advantage of as much speed as can be
generated.

Does it use the 25, a 28, or a 33 mhz '040?

Thom
`:wq

 
 
 

A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Mike Schwar » Fri, 07 Aug 1992 20:47:42



Quote:> 33% more expensive than the EISA system... but, probably outperforms it,
> again, you can't beat clone prices, but the if CBM can come between those
> Quadras and the clones, it isn't doing too bad.  What about the Next?

That 040 system better be 33% faster to match price/performance with
that EISA system...

Quote:> Thom
> `:wq

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Post by Janne R M Pelkon » Sat, 08 Aug 1992 17:12:33



Quote:>    Gateway 2000 50/486DX2, 8 meg ram, 340MB 15ms SCSI HD, 32-bit EISA

                     ^^^^^^^^^

        DX2 is the version that runs double speed internally, correct?
        So do you mean, that they actually have a chip that runs at 100MHz
        internally? I think, that you mean a chip that runs at 25/50 MHz.
        If this is the case (can't think it any other way), just please
        say "25MHz 486DX2", because this is just like saying "50MHz 68040".

Quote:>                                                    G.Greene

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A3000T ad in AmigaWorld.... What a rip!

Post by Paul S Secina » Sat, 08 Aug 1992 21:19:20



Quote:>>        Gateway 2000 50/486DX2, 8 meg ram, 340MB 15ms SCSI HD, 32-bit EISA
>                 ^^^^^^^^^

>    DX2 is the version that runs double speed internally, correct?
>    So do you mean, that they actually have a chip that runs at 100MHz
>    internally? I think, that you mean a chip that runs at 25/50 MHz.
>    If this is the case (can't think it any other way), just please
>    say "25MHz 486DX2", because this is just like saying "50MHz 68040".

Intel's naming convention for the DX2's is to use the internal clock
speed, so it would be correct to say 486DX2-50 to mean 25/50 MHz.

I've heard rumors that they might put out a DX2-100, but right now the
fastest in the 486 line is the DX2-66.

Paul

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Niven's Corollary: The gene-tampered turkey you're talking to isn't
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Post by Stephenson Daniel » Sun, 09 Aug 1992 11:05:41




>>        Gateway 2000 50/486DX2, 8 meg ram, 340MB 15ms SCSI HD, 32-bit EISA
>                 ^^^^^^^^^

>    DX2 is the version that runs double speed internally, correct?
>    So do you mean, that they actually have a chip that runs at 100MHz
>    internally? I think, that you mean a chip that runs at 25/50 MHz.
>    If this is the case (can't think it any other way), just please
>    say "25MHz 486DX2", because this is just like saying "50MHz 68040".

I don't see why Motorola failing to cite the doubling feature should
prevent Intel from pointing it out.  After all, the previous 486s
ran 25 Mhz interanl as well as external.

And I would not be surprised if there were a 50/100Mhz DX2 someday, either.

Quote:

>>                                                        G.Greene

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1. A3000T ad (was: Re: New A3000T ?!?

This was an amazing thing about the ad: you had to read the fine print
to figure out what in the heck was being advertised! A dorky cartoon of some
character straight out of Amiga World's 'Last 'Licks' column with a
knife and fork in his hand is supposed to sell the high end Amiga?
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Grad Student Physics


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2. 2181 ezkit

3. R.I.P. AMIGA..1985-1994..R.I.P..

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