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: Good news dudes, Motorola is upping the ante!

: I just bought 40mHz 040 chips for half price... wonderif it has to do
: with a rumor that the 060 is imminent! It will "render" the PC useless!

does this mean the warp is now cheaper?

Darren

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Quote:>Good news dudes, Motorola is upping the ante!
>I just bought 40mHz 040 chips for half price... wonderif it has to do
>with a rumor that the 060 is imminent! It will "render" the PC useless!

As for "rendering" a PC useless, it beats a '486DX4 in speed and is not
far behind the 66MHz pentium on integers. Nice chip but useless is a pretty
strong word I think ;)

Source: http://infopad.eecs.berkeley.edu/~burd/gpp/summary/

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Good news dudes, Motorola is upping the ante!

I just bought 40mHz 040 chips for half price... wonderif it has to do
with a rumor that the 060 is imminent! It will "render" the PC useless!

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Sure, the 060 is great, I think it's about on the same generation
as the PowerPC, so the same potential (don't argue ;-) ) BUT ....

INTEL has another processor in his pockets : the P6
For those who have acces to WWW take a look at
        http://www.intel.com/procs/p6/index.html

for those who don't have w3 access,
the P6 is the last Intel processor (binary compatible with previous
generations). It has more than 5 million transistors (2 more than
pentium), and goes 133 MHz.
It's supposed to delivers 1000 MIPS (one thousand, yes) with 4
processors.

Last but not least, the p6 is available to constructors. this means
it's no more a prototype, but it's a processor on testing, and that
some constructors are working on architecture based on the P6 !

So sorry, but I don't think that Amiga will one day render the PCs
useless 8^(  except in case of a miracle !!!
I hope the  new generation of Amigas will be that miracle !

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: Sure, the 060 is great, I think it's about on the same generation
: as the PowerPC, so the same potential (don't argue ;-) ) BUT ....

: INTEL has another processor in his pockets : the P6
: For those who have acces to WWW take a look at
:       http://www.intel.com/procs/p6/index.html

: for those who don't have w3 access,
: the P6 is the last Intel processor (binary compatible with previous
: generations). It has more than 5 million transistors (2 more than
: pentium), and goes 133 MHz.
: It's supposed to delivers 1000 MIPS (one thousand, yes) with 4
: processors.

: Last but not least, the p6 is available to constructors. this means
: it's no more a prototype, but it's a processor on testing, and that
: some constructors are working on architecture based on the P6 !

: So sorry, but I don't think that Amiga will one day render the PCs
: useless 8^(  except in case of a miracle !!!
: I hope the  new generation of Amigas will be that miracle !

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P6 is going to be the last 86xxx compatibile chip.  That means no more
new generations of IBM compatibile computers byond that.( Uff- no more
tricky games with Base Memory, partialy-compatibile-sowtware, 1001
possible(...and not working) setups, bootdisk for every game... --these
are my favorites :)

-Mike

MR> : pentium), and goes 133 MHz.
MR> : It's supposed to delivers 1000 MIPS (one thousand, yes) with 4
MR> : processors.

1e3 MIPS with 4 133MHz processors? Get real!

That's just as close to reality as Acorns ARMulet 300MIPS Processor at 40
MHz. ;)

friedly greetinx,

FATAL ERROR 302: Intel Inside

A superscalar CPU with >=2 instructions per clock
can do at least 266 MIPS at 133MHz (lets say non-
conflicting register moves).

So where is the problem ? Noone who is using MIPS talks
about real-world performance in the same sentence.

Regards,
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: I guess they'l be GIVING away 030's now :)

   Boy, I wish I knew some elec. engineers so we could start mass-producing
68030 boards for machines-  I'm sure the 68030's will be *dirt cheap* in
the next year:  think about a $200  68030/68882-50Mhz (BRAND NEW) for
A500/A2000/A1200....  street price of $169.00... Hmmmm... I can sense
alot of screamin' A500's in the near future!  hehehee.

                                Ciao,

    Bingo.  In the previous sentence Michael has succinctly stated
the whole problem with this line of reasoning.  Let's talk about
application of the power in the various CPU implementations in
situations where a comparison makes sense.  Do you use your computer
for 3D rendering?  There's an area where you can really compare two
similarly equipped systems on a similar task, like say how long it takes
to render a POVray scene that comes with the distribution.  The same
kind of comparisons can be made WRT common implementations of
comm protocols, text processing (TeX) and so forth.  MIPS amounts
to comparing apples to oranges....SPEC figures provides a better
comparison of potential but only benchmarks of relative power of
CPUs doing the kinds of things you do can really provide answers that
have any relevence to your experience.
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