Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Donald Watso » Fri, 09 Jun 2000 04:00:00



I am just curious if anyone has ever used one of the quantum snap servers on
an SBS network and if they have could they give me a report on what they
experienced.  Does it really get recognized and can be mapped on SBS as its
supposed to in regular NT?  Can it be backed up by the tape drive in my SBS
server?  etc etc.

Thanks gang

--
Donald "Doc" Watson
Information Services
Linn County REC

 
 
 

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Mal Osborn » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Had a serious look at this product a while ago, I could not find much of a
use for it as a file storage device on an SBS network for the following
reasons.

1. *R/A policy.
Here in Australia if the device has a problem, it has to be sent back,
dealers are not allowed to open the case.  If the unit is running mirroring,
you cannot just replace the defective drive and rebuild, you have to remove
the device, and send it away for repair.

2. Cost.
It is usually cheaper to get an experienced engineer out to install another
drive in you server, and set everything up nicely than to connect the Snap
Server yourself.

3. Backing up.
You will need 100Mb networking infrastructure, and may need to look at a
switch if you have a busy network.  A modern tape can generate a lot of
traffic!

Mal Osborne
MCSE Mensa


Quote:> I am just curious if anyone has ever used one of the quantum snap servers
on
> an SBS network and if they have could they give me a report on what they
> experienced.  Does it really get recognized and can be mapped on SBS as
its
> supposed to in regular NT?  Can it be backed up by the tape drive in my
SBS
> server?  etc etc.

> Thanks gang

> --
> Donald "Doc" Watson
> Information Services
> Linn County REC


 
 
 

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Jeff Middleto » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I'm already on record for stating that storage appliances don't make much
sense to me.  It seems that it's simpler, but I'm not sure in the long run
that it is.  What's so hard about installing a hard drive in the server? If
your argument is that the SBS server can go down and this device is still
online, think again, it won't necessarily work that way.


> Had a serious look at this product a while ago, I could not find much of a
> use for it as a file storage device on an SBS network for the following
> reasons.

> 1. *R/A policy.
> Here in Australia if the device has a problem, it has to be sent back,
> dealers are not allowed to open the case.  If the unit is running
mirroring,
> you cannot just replace the defective drive and rebuild, you have to
remove
> the device, and send it away for repair.

> 2. Cost.
> It is usually cheaper to get an experienced engineer out to install
another
> drive in you server, and set everything up nicely than to connect the Snap
> Server yourself.

> 3. Backing up.
> You will need 100Mb networking infrastructure, and may need to look at a
> switch if you have a busy network.  A modern tape can generate a lot of
> traffic!

> Mal Osborne
> MCSE Mensa



> > I am just curious if anyone has ever used one of the quantum snap
servers
> on
> > an SBS network and if they have could they give me a report on what they
> > experienced.  Does it really get recognized and can be mapped on SBS as
> its
> > supposed to in regular NT?  Can it be backed up by the tape drive in my
> SBS
> > server?  etc etc.

> > Thanks gang

> > --
> > Donald "Doc" Watson
> > Information Services
> > Linn County REC

 
 
 

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Donald Watso » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I agree.  Typically I would just install extra drives in the server.  The
problem is that this remote client has a server that was built out of a
regular PC with a SCSI adapter Card in a Mini Tower no less.  They only have
3 workstations and don't have the money to buy a full upgraded server.  They
have set aside in the budget 900 dollars to add about 5 to 10 gigs of usable
hard drive space.  With the Tape drive, 2  4-gig hard drives (C drive
Mirred) There is only one open bay internally and I want to add 2 5 or 10
gig drives for Miring.  The Quantum seemed like an ideal product for this
situation.  Do you really think it would be worth the time and effort to
replace the existing 4 gig drives with 10 gigs and go through the process of
transferring the OS or is there something else I should be looking for like
external hard drives.

Thanks again
--
Donald "Doc" Watson
Information Services
Linn County REC

 
 
 

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Jeff Middleto » Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:00:00


Me personally?  Yes, I replace hard drives a the drop of a hat.  I routinely
change drives in servers for any excuse if for no other reason than to get
newer drives with more life, less years in the server.  Faster drives never
hurt a server.

Upgrading drives with a working system is just not that complicated.  I
posted a document on this the other day.  You can use SCOPY to transfer data
drives, no sweat. You can either do a tape restore for the system drive, or
you can boot the system with a "host" drive running NT and then SCOPY the
system drive over.

I just priced hard drives yesterday. How about a 40G Ultra-66 5400 RPM EIDE
for $205 ?

Don't tell me it's not cost effective to have more space or that running a 3
year old drive is smart, I won't believe you.  Assuming that the drive
controller remains the same, I can typically duplicate a drive with SCOPY in
about 10 minutes of setup and +/- 10 minutes/Gbyte. That's under an hour for
a 4G drive.

You can do SCSI just as well, it's just the cost of drive difference, the
process is the same. If you change controllers, you have a little more setup
to do, small amount of cleanup.


Quote:> I agree.  Typically I would just install extra drives in the server.  The
> problem is that this remote client has a server that was built out of a
> regular PC with a SCSI adapter Card in a Mini Tower no less.  They only
have
> 3 workstations and don't have the money to buy a full upgraded server.
They
> have set aside in the budget 900 dollars to add about 5 to 10 gigs of
usable
> hard drive space.  With the Tape drive, 2  4-gig hard drives (C drive
> Mirred) There is only one open bay internally and I want to add 2 5 or 10
> gig drives for Miring.  The Quantum seemed like an ideal product for this
> situation.  Do you really think it would be worth the time and effort to
> replace the existing 4 gig drives with 10 gigs and go through the process
of
> transferring the OS or is there something else I should be looking for
like
> external hard drives.

> Thanks again
> --
> Donald "Doc" Watson
> Information Services
> Linn County REC

 
 
 

Quantum Snap File Servers on SBS

Post by Mal Osborn » Sun, 11 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I would replace the current drives in the server, the whole project, even
allowing for a long drive in the country, and a few hours on site should
work out cheaper, and perform better. Unless "remote" means "very remote"
(The Australian perspective would be that nothing is remote in the USA, I
have had to go onsite via light aircraft and even helicopters, onto sites
that we are considered the closest available).

 Another option worth exploring would be to rebuild the machine into a
larger case, and add the extra drives.   This would take an hour or so
extra, and another $100 or so for a new box, but would probably still work
out cheaper and better than the Quantum device.  It would be a little easier
to reorganise data as well, no imaging required.

--
Mal Osborne
MCSE Mensa


Quote:> I agree.  Typically I would just install extra drives in the server.  The
> problem is that this remote client has a server that was built out of a
> regular PC with a SCSI adapter Card in a Mini Tower no less.  They only
have
> 3 workstations and don't have the money to buy a full upgraded server.
They
> have set aside in the budget 900 dollars to add about 5 to 10 gigs of
usable
> hard drive space.  With the Tape drive, 2  4-gig hard drives (C drive
> Mirred) There is only one open bay internally and I want to add 2 5 or 10
> gig drives for Miring.  The Quantum seemed like an ideal product for this
> situation.  Do you really think it would be worth the time and effort to
> replace the existing 4 gig drives with 10 gigs and go through the process
of
> transferring the OS or is there something else I should be looking for
like
> external hard drives.

> Thanks again
> --
> Donald "Doc" Watson
> Information Services
> Linn County REC

 
 
 

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I.S. Manager
Sunbury Primary Care

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