What "White Knight" brought up as "arguments" is exactly what I name
crap, sorry, no other way to say that. It was always up to the users
decision, what they preferred. MS or other products.
I never had the experience, that my MS OSs excluded other products,
but a good time ago, I made the experience, that Netscape made access
to their sites impossible for MS-IE users. And was it nice, that a
deinstallation of a Netscape browser (ver 3 amnd earlier) killed all
dll files without asking prior to doing it? The only solution was
format C and reinstall, since the OS was completely corrupted.
This should have brought to court! damaging others property!
And what Cheryle brought as sample is enough to put at least one
company completely out of business, but that is not MS!
Besides that, there is no honest answer possible but saying that the
MS IE is the better browser since a good time.
To be fan of an 'other' OS is OK, but is not OK to akt fanatic and
unfair. To bring up a thesis like "M$ doesn't build better products
than anyone else does. " is talkink BS. Show me an Office Pack better
than Microsofts. Dont mention 'Star-Office'. I do not need to see an
explorer-type part on my screen while I write a letter, I do not need
to have at least 40% of my screen covered with unneeded extras. I
need someting integrating my complete PC into my work. Thats only
possible with Microsoft products. I have a minimum of 4 recent CDs of
Staroffice laying here, given to me when I bought any hardware. This
free distribution does not make it better.
And, "White Knight", people buy what they prefer. Isn't it obvious,
that the other products are of less quality, since people refuse to
use them. Every single person checks the available products to buy the
best thing. There are *y good reasons to spent the big bucks for
MS office 2000 (among other samples) and not to shoot for anything
And what can be said about Linux? It was so hard to get it installed,
that a simple user was not able to do that alone. They made
'installation parties' to bring some people together, to set it up. It
was difficult even for more experienced linux users. Just recently
they say (I do not know, if it is right) that linux starts to get
easier to install. Well, when they get there, they might be able to
start competing. As of now, they were not able to compete. So why do
If you really hate MS that much, you should please restrict yourself
by accessing only 'I-hate-MS' groups. You will not be able to make
friends by repeating a paid judges crooked decisions.
I wrote this, in spite of the fact that Cheryle was pleading for an
end of this thread, yes it's really OT, but can someone feel different
but upset watching, what all hate can produce? That is what the big
majority here in Germany feels, from Government till single PC user.
Understanding for US court decisions, no, they are good for cheep
jokes, but for nothing else.
This so far for now and finally on this item from my side. But I had
to write it.
I did not cut the quote, it is saying too much.
> >> Frankly, I think Netscape, Apple, et al are a bunch of whiners
> >> quite cut it, so they've run off to get their Big Brother.
> >I don't see this as the case. Microsoft exploited their position
in the OS
> >market to gain in the browser war by forcing the distribution of
> >browser as a condition of using their OS in computers. They didn't
> >least, initially) produce a better browser that people by choice
> >better than Netscape's or anyone else's. Since Netscape wasn't
> >advantage of that positioning, they have been on the losing end of
> FWIW, I didn't have IE preinstalled on my computer until I upgraded
> Win98. Before that, I had downloaded and installed both browsers (I
> web pages), but used IE exclusively for personal surfing after about
> Netscape just didn't cut it any more.
> >After all, think hard about it, being the average consumer just
> >about computers, which would you choose a browser pre-installed on
> >computer at purchase or one you had to download or buy?
> >It's like buying a car with a decent CD player in it already...
> >going to tell me you are going to go out and purchase a different
> >install in its place? Probably not, all other things considered
> >Unless you are an audiophile or something.
> >Those of us that choose to use Netscape have to use IE to download
> >computers after we purchased it. The reason why M$ is in the lead
> >browser war is simply a matter of "the path of least resistance,"
> >because they built a browser that was oh-so-much-better.
> And a friend of mine in CA had to switch to Netscape when he got DSL
> PacBell won't support IE. When he tried to download an IE upgrade,
> getting disconnected from the MS site. When he complained to his
> refused to help him, saying they don't support anything by MS. It
> several phone calls and a lot of persistence to get it fixed. So
> play the game. Of course since PacBell is the only DSL provider
> lives, he had no leverage. Hmmm... isn't PacBell one of the
spin-offs we got
> from the breakup of Ma Bell?
> The Netscape vs. IE discussion really is largely a matter of
> choice. My first computer came with a lot of stuff preinstalled that
> didn't like, so I removed it and replaced it with what I wanted.
> >Toss in the fact that you probably use MS Office in your workplace,
> >turn influences the decision to use Windows, and you come full
> >Microsoft uses their position in the OS industry to leverage their
> >applications & browser divisions and visa-versa.
> Actually, I used MS Office at home before it became the standard
> work. Prior to '97, our standard was WordPerfect, which I happened
to like a
> lot. But MS was faster about integrating other programs, and it's
> compatibility when you need to produce.
> >And that is part of why Microsoft finds themselves in court
> >P.S. M$ doesn't build better products than anyone else does. And
> >companies that build better products than them, they acquire (or
> >assimilate.) Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. =))
> I like Microsoft products. A lot. I run a moderately powerful system
> lot of extras and seldom have problems with it. When I do, they're
> often either hardware related or user failure. I respect others'
> make their own choices, and there are still plenty of them out
there. I just
> think getting upset about OEM discs (which was the orginal point of
> thread) was surprising, since it's been going on for years. My first
> computer back in '92 was a Packard Bell (spit in the dirt) without
> and it had an OEM disc that had a bunch of *on it, too.
> >And now we return you to your regularly scheduled Paint Shop Pro
> Sounds like a good idea! <G>
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