Weird behavior: Illustrator 6 EPS shifts place on Quark 3.32 page

Weird behavior: Illustrator 6 EPS shifts place on Quark 3.32 page

Post by Peter F Dav » Fri, 04 Jul 1997 04:00:00



: >

: >
: > > I'm experimenting with placing an Adobe Illustrator 6.0 EPS file on a
: > > QuarkXpress 3.32 page, and getting some weird results.  In Quark, I
: > > draw horizontal and vertical cross hairs to show exactly where I'm
: > > placing the EPS.  However, in the output PostScript file, the EPS
: > > graphic has shifted anywhere from 1/2 to 1 1/2 points to the right and
: > > down from teh cross hairs.  I tried the same thing with Freehand 5,
: > > adn the EPS graphic did NOT shift.
: > >
: > > I've checked this with 3 or 4 different PostScript RIPs, and I'm
: > > getting the same behavior on all of them.  Yet I can't believe a Quark
: > > or Illustrator bug this major would have gone unnoticed.  Has anyone
: > > heard of a problem like this?  Any clues?
: > >
: > > Thanks very much.
: > >
: > > -pd
: >
: > Yup. That's how it works. Adoble can't seem to get a grip on that
: > bounding box thing.
:
: Actually, I think they outsmarted themselves... If you look at the
: Illustrator (unfortunately even AI7 eps file, you will find TWO bounding
: box comments - the customary %%BoundingBox, and also %%HiResBoundingBox.
: The latter is an accurate bounding box, whereas the former is rounded to
: the NEAREST INTEGRAL POINT.

Well, the EPS specification says that the bounding box values are
integers.  What I don't understand is why the graphic doesn't line up
with teh bounding box even at the origin.  You would think they'd
translate the coordinate space as necessary to put the lower left
corner on an integer boundary, which could then be the low values of
the bounding box.

Thanks to all who've responded.

-pd

 
 
 

Weird behavior: Illustrator 6 EPS shifts place on Quark 3.32 page

Post by ebm » Sun, 06 Jul 1997 04:00:00





> : >

> : >
> : > > I'm experimenting with placing an Adobe Illustrator 6.0 EPS file on a
> : > > QuarkXpress 3.32 page, and getting some weird results.  In Quark, I
> : > > draw horizontal and vertical cross hairs to show exactly where I'm
> : > > placing the EPS.  However, in the output PostScript file, the EPS
> : > > graphic has shifted anywhere from 1/2 to 1 1/2 points to the right and
> : > > down from teh cross hairs.  I tried the same thing with Freehand 5,
> : > > adn the EPS graphic did NOT shift.
> : > >
> : > > I've checked this with 3 or 4 different PostScript RIPs, and I'm
> : > > getting the same behavior on all of them.  Yet I can't believe a Quark
> : > > or Illustrator bug this major would have gone unnoticed.  Has anyone
> : > > heard of a problem like this?  Any clues?
> : > >
> : > > Thanks very much.
> : > >
> : > > -pd
> : >
> : > Yup. That's how it works. Adoble can't seem to get a grip on that
> : > bounding box thing.

I just recently learned of ANOTHER bug like this - I had a set of files
with bitmap tifs placed over a Tiff image in Quark, to output a 5th spot
plate registered precisely with the main image (it's a metallic gold plate
where the gold was manually separated out of the Tiff in Photoshop). I set
up the files exactly the way I should according to our film house, I
stepped and repeated the box at 0,0 to pin register the bitmap over the
Tiff, set the origins and proportions of the bitmap to exactly what the
Tiff was, set it to overprint, assigned a custom spot color to it, with
the amount of trap we normally use.

But the 5th plate image came out offset about 1/16th" down and to the
right WITHIN the bounding box on this one file. Doesnt show on-screen.
None of the other files did this. Arrgh.

The pre-press guys at our service bureau took one look, and said "Runaround!".

Huh?

Turns out "Runaround" was set to "auto" on that bitmap in that file
instead of "none" - how, I don't know. It should'nt have been - my
preferences are set to create all new image and text blocks with "none".

So, anyone know WHY? It doesnt matter - its just another pre-flight item
for the checklist (which keeps growing and growing all the time), and easy
to catch, but it puzzles me as to why it does this. Anyone have any idea?
It's annoying, like how Quark does NOT update bitmap Tiffs (Just bitmap
tiffs) correctly when the link to the files have been broken ( like if the
files have moved directories) - but this one makes no sense to me at all,
as Runaround should only effect TEXT below or above the image, not the
image itself!

 
 
 

Weird behavior: Illustrator 6 EPS shifts place on Quark 3.32 page

Post by Kris Sa » Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:00:00



> I just recently learned of ANOTHER bug like this - I had a set of files
> with bitmap tifs placed over a Tiff image in Quark, to output a 5th spot
> plate registered precisely with the main image (it's a metallic gold plate
> where the gold was manually separated out of the Tiff in Photoshop).

Rather than manually create the gold plate, has anyone use one of those
ultilities for working with channels beyond cmyk, such as Channel24 or
ederMCS, etc... seems that DCS2.0 is the only format that work with 5th
color and more

___________________________________
Any comment and experience in various
high-end prepress/printing processes appreciated.

Topics of interest including:

        HiFi or Hexachrome Separation
        Multi channel Color Separation
        Waterless Offset Printing
        Hi-Resolution Printing (300 lpi up)
        Stochastic (FM) screen Printing
        Direct to Plate technology
        Problem and Solutions on PostScript RIPing
        PC to Mac prepress
        Print production management system (MIS)
        Any other latest development on prepress
                        and printing technology

Any website links (commercial or non commercial)
to all these topics, I will set up a link page on our
website for all these when there are enough sources.

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Asst Managing Director
___________________________________

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http://www.sirivatana.com
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Weird behavior: Illustrator 6 EPS shifts place on Quark 3.32 page

Post by Duchess of Dol » Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:00:00


I won't pretend to understand what you guys are talking about, but in the
same vein, I just had a Quark 3.32 doc with an Illutrator 7 eps that
wouldn't RIP.

The error looked something like this:

UnKnownDict
AGM Gradient private
Adobe Illustrator AI5 vars
Adobe Illustrator A15
Adobe ColorImage AI6
AGM Gradient
Adobe screens AI5
Adobe cshow
Adobe level2 AI5
UnKnownDict
epsdict
QuarkXpress 3.32
md
userdict
shareddict
systemdict
[Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: optimize]

The doc wouldn't rip until we removed the object with the  blend. From the
discussion, it seems like Adobe is messing with Postscript. Any ideas?
--
Valerie Brewster
Graphic specialist

 
 
 

1. EPS files from PC Pagemaker 6.52 to Mac Quark 3.32

Instead of chasing your tail, do it the right way. Take your files to a
bureau that can output PC files properly, ie directly from PageMaker.
Then supply your ads on film. All this conversion stuff can make one
dizzy... (Export from illustrator, rasterize in Photoshop and save as
eps and place in Quark????Geez, Learn to do DTP properly)

2. 24bit Jupiter & Moons

3. .art files. Am I being dumb?

4. Quark EPS -> Illustrator EPS

5. Renderman Renderer for Win95?

6. Problem printing PS from Quark 3.32 PC

7. Quark Express 3.32 error under Win95

8. Quark 3.32 and 8.5

9. Quark 3.32 Preferences

10. Quark 3.32/4.03 and OS 8.6