> > Why write a virus? Beacuse it's very challenging... anyone can write an
> > app, but try writing a virus, it's a different kettle of fish...
> What gives you the idea that it is challenging? Anyone with a reasonable
> knowledge of RISC OS and a set of PRMs can write a virus and, as I'm sure
> Alan Glover will tell you, a number of them are very poorly written and a
> number are written in BASIC.
> I can think of plenty of more challenging tasks and they probably include
> every Acorn project of any significance that I've ever been involved in.
Yeah. I'm not great at programing I could probably write a virus. I couldn't
write a good app though, they take a lot longer and a lot more skill and
Of course it all depends what sort of virus we are talking about.
Some very simple BASIC virus doesn't come close to any usefull app in terms
of technical skill. More advanced viruses like a Whale that can only be found
on a PC thank god, may arguably take more technical skill to write. Things
can get very complex when it comes to invisibility/undetectability. Of course
not many people outside the hacker comunity appreciate your tallent....
> > There's nothing wrong in writing *harmless* viri, as long as you keep them
> > to yourself.
> The problem is when they do get out, whether by accident or design.
> If it doesn't get out and is destroyed then its purely a waste of time for
> someone who probably doesn't have anything better to do.
People do it for the thrill mostly. Some get a kick out of knowing that their
code has spread to another computer, even another country.
Anyway, the term Harmless can have a number of meanings. They all take space.
Wasn't the module virus meant to be harmless? It disrupted printing quite
frequently. It made us spend money on a virus prtection scheme!
What about probe/worm variants? They divulge information about your system.
would you class this as harmfull?
Still, my definition of harmfull still rests witj the data deleting virus.
> But the Vigay virus apparently got out by accident. Whether or not this is
> true makes very little difference, the end result is identical - another
> virus on the lose.
> And as to viri being "harmless" - anything that messes around, infecting
> files all over the place, claiming vectors for unintended purposes and
> making their presence felt by causing odd things to happen has the potential
> to cause damage.
> When, as I have, you've spent a very long time going through an entire
> school's collection of floppy and hard discs to get rid of a module virus
> infection (a so-called harmless virus), it's not funny for anyone.
A teacher I know did that, twice. The trouble is you always get some technophobe
teachers getting really up tight and panicing. These same teachers normally
horde away disks in their desk draws only to boot them up after the virus
killing session, re-introducing the infection.
> > To anyone daft enough to write a malicious virus, I have only
> > one thing to say... I hope it trashes your H/D!!! :->
Nar. They'd have a safeguard against that!!!!
A lot of the people I've talked to write a melicious virus to destroy an
individual's data. It's often easier to make the replication code just replicate
to where ever possible, whenever possible without getting noticed. They don't
bother to take the time to check it's only capable of getting the person
intended. The infection of other people's hardware is a bi-product, in some
cases not an undesired one.
> [Followups to comp.sys.acorn.misc]
By the way, I'm not a virus creator or anything like that. It's just some
people I hang around with on the net do.
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