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Hello.  I have an Apple IIgs ROM 3 and an Apple High-Speed SCSI Card.  I am
planning on adding an Apple brand CD-ROM to my system in the future.  I read
some old information that the CD-300e and CD-300 Plus did not have a driver
for playing audio CD's.  Does anyone know if these drives ever had a System
6.0.1 driver made for them to play audio CD's?  How about the 600e?

Thank you,
Jason Whorton
http://www.microxl.com/oldcomputers/main.html

: Hello.  I have an Apple IIgs ROM 3 and an Apple High-Speed SCSI Card.  I am
: planning on adding an Apple brand CD-ROM to my system in the future.  I read
: some old information that the CD-300e and CD-300 Plus did not have a driver
: for playing audio CD's.  Does anyone know if these drives ever had a System
: 6.0.1 driver made for them to play audio CD's?  How about the 600e?

Rule of thumb: only Apple's single speed CD drives use Apple's proprietary
SCSI audio command set, which is what the system software uses. That includes
the CD SC, CD SC Plus, and CD150. CD300s and up use the standard SCSI-2 audio
command set so they won't play audio out of the box. There is software which
can support audio, but gotta get it elsewhere.

FWIW I  have a CD150 on my IIgs. People pooh pooh single speed, but I used
the 150 on my Quadra for a good while and it was workable. A 150 would give
you all the CD capability you can use on a IIgs, and cheaply too since most
people would consider a single speed drive junk.
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Quote:> Hello.  I have an Apple IIgs ROM 3 and an Apple High-Speed SCSI Card.  I am
> planning on adding an Apple brand CD-ROM to my system in the future.  I read
> some old information that the CD-300e and CD-300 Plus did not have a driver
> for playing audio CD's.  Does anyone know if these drives ever had a System
> 6.0.1 driver made for them to play audio CD's?  How about the 600e?

System6.0.1 for the GS contains scsi drivers that support audio functions
on the early Apple SCSI CD drives up through CD150.  These drives are now
called SCSI-1 drives.  Later drives starting with the CD300 are SCSI-2
drives and Apple never released updated drivers for GSOS and scsi-2
devices.

However, Jawaid Bazyar, while working for Sequential System, announced the
release of SCSI2 drivers for the Apple High Speed SCSI card.  To the best
of my knowledge Seq. Sys. never sold the new drivers.  I tried for months
to order it and never could get the order desk lady to take an order
because they only sold hardware, not software.  I talked to Jay Yafronski
(sp?) who said he would look around for the drivers, but he never
responded to futher inquiries.  I suspect if the drivers were written they
left Seq. Sys. when Bazyar left Seq. Sys.  I have never heard of anyone
ever getting the drivers.

SCSI2 devices work OK as data drives with GS/OS, just the CD Media Remote
cdev won't operate a CD300 or newer with Apple SCSI card.

SCSI2 drivers for the RamFast controller are available however.  Check
with Seq. Sys. when you try to buy a RamFast controller, or grab the
RFscsi drivers from a FTP site.

Good luck!  And yell out loudly to csa2 if you ever find the "Apple High
Speed SCSI2 Driver". :-)

  -Steve

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Crap.  I guess I'll just get a CD150.  I do want to have CD audio
capability.  It might be the only CD's I ever get for my IIgs.
    What is the fastest CD-ROM for the RAMFast?  Maybe I should just get one
of those and throw my HS SCSI card back in my IIe.  Decisions, decisions.

Thank you,
Jason Whorton
http://www.microxl.com/oldcomputers/main.html

It is true.  Apple's CD Remote is hardwired to support the old proprietary
audio functions of the CDSC and the CD-150.  Now there are third party
drivers for the RamFAST that'll let it use the Media Control desk
accessory to play audio CDs (but again, not the CD Remote desk
accessory...no big deal, the Media Control one is better).

There were (or legend has it that there were) drivers sold by third party
companies that that allowed the Apple High Speed SCSI Card to play
audio with the Media Control desk accessory using any standard
SCSI-2 CD-ROM drive (like the CD-300e and CD-300 Plus and the
CD-600e).  These came from one of two sources, a company called
Tulin (now dead) and one called http://www.veryComputer.com/
Systems.

Tulin's drivers were shipped with their own drives which used NEC
mechanisms.  They may or may not work with other drives.  However,
it is known for a fact that the drivers exists since many folks bought
Tulin CD-ROMs way back when.

Sequential's drivers is another matter: there is a debate on whether
or not they ever existed.  However, the driver package was advertised
in several sources including Alltech's adverti*ts and Quality
Computer's catalog.  We may never know the truth until someone
who tried to order the drivers from these places back when they were
advertised speaks up.  Or unless Jawaid Bayzar, the programmer,
comes forward.

What's Jawaid's email address, by the way?  Anyone know?  That
would be the best way to find out.  Heck, he might even consent to
releasing the drivers as he did GNO/ME.  Just a thought.

Quote:>6.0.1 driver made for them to play audio CD's?  How about the 600e?

600e is an SCSI-2 standard CD-ROM, so it would use the same
audio driver as the CD-300, above.  Actually, if you could get the
CD-300 to play audio, you can get most any modern drive to play
audio using the same driver.

Note: CD-300 and CD-600 work fine as DATA drives using the
standard SCSICD driver supplied with System 6.0.1.

That would be the best way to find out.  Heck, he might even consent to
releasing the drivers as he did GNO/ME.  Just a thought."

And, I reply:  

Ref. RAMFAST, ETC. CD.DRIVERS ARCHIVE & INFO TEXT FILE...

http://www.grin.net/~cturley/gsezine/GS.WorldView/************JULY.99....
RARE.WARES/RFCD.BXY

http://www.grin.net/~cturley/gsezine/GS.WorldView/************JULY.99....
RARE.WARES/RFCD.BXY.INFO.TXT

After posting this thread, I'm giving a call to Jawaid, to get a clarification
on all of this
once and for all.  Stay tuned!

Cheers,
Tom

Well, I don't know, but I _do_ know that around nine months or so back
someone on Delphi posted his contact details, or the contact details of
someone else who has the drivers, to the Apple II forum there... anyone
with a Delphi account may be able to find the post.

Vincent Q

From Ferret on the Dartboard
Shankill, Dun Laoghaire
Ireland

Quote:>Well, I don't know, but I _do_ know that around nine months or so back
>someone on Delphi posted his contact details, or the contact details of
>someone else who has the drivers, to the Apple II forum there... anyone
>with a Delphi account may be able to find the post.

You may be thinking of the drivers for the Apple SCSI cards that makes
them work better with removable media such as the Zip 100 drives.  I
think the SCSI-2 driver that people are talking about here is
something else.

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