> Hmm..I see what your saying - I had no idea this was the situation. Our
> office manager did the original purchase and I just assumed I would get the
> CD with the Notepad...
> Okay, maybe we could consider going down route two which would be to do a
> clean install of win2k server on NTFS with no partition for Win Pro...
> 1. The only thing is, I am not sure why you say "..can install win2k
> twice" - why a second time?
The reason for installing 2 copies of W2K, whether Pro and Server or 2
Servers is to give you access to the data on the drive if your main W2K
Server installation goes belly up. Let's say, for example, that you
install the wonderful SP3 that was just released and you happen to be
one of the lucky few who end up in a reboot cycle and get the machine to
boot back into server. W/ the W2K Pro or b/u Server installation, you
can boot into that and access any critical/time sensitive data, off load
it somewhere else if you need to, then get down to the work of repairing
your main W2K server installation. I suggest W2K Pro as the backup
since it's smaller and simpler.
> 2. Also, is there really no way to locate the DVD drivers - what if I copied
> my existing drivers off the harddrive?
Good luck. I put quite a bit of effort into trying to get the DVD
player, but it just wasn't possible. I even got desperate and checked
out hastalavista.com, which is an underground hacker site, and they
didn't have it. It's absolutely ridiculous that IBM limits the way you
can use their laptot; it's their way or no way. If that is in the fine
print somewhere, I'd say they got a brass pair; if it's not, it's
shiesty and enough either way for me not to do business w/ them. After
paying that kind of money, I should be able to use that damned laptop
and configure it any freakin' way I please.
OK, I'll get off the soapbox now...
> 3. This also brings me to another troubling question: how the heck does one
> establish what ibm notepad drivers will work on server....there is
> absolutely no literture on subject, plus it seems IBM support will not help
> with anything to with the Server family
NT drivers work across all families of a given version of the OS. IOW,
modem drivers for NT4 work for NT4 Workstation, Terminal Server, Server,
Enterprise Server, etc. Same for W2K.
> 4. ...I assume route two wipes out the hidden partition - will this have any
> adverse affects later on?
Only that you will have no way of restoring the system to factory
condition, but who would want to do that anyway unless you wanted to pay
$2500 for a DVD player.
> "Ricardo M. Urbano - W2K/NT4 MVP" <r...@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu> wrote in
> message news:3D6B8123.9BBAB10A@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu...
> > This is why I despise the IBM ThinkPads. I had a similar problem
> > because I *always* rebuild machines shipped w/ NT since the
> > manufacturers usually do a pretty lousy job of setting NT up. I was
> > able to download all the drivers I needed from their website, but they
> > didn't have the DVD player available for download. When I called and
> > begged and pleaded, they gave me the same horseshit answer; that the
> > only way to get the DVD player was to restore from their system
> > partition. Of course I blew that away when resintalling since it is of
> > absolutely no worth.
> > They wouldn't budge, so I had to give the user his laptop w/o a DVD
> > player.
> > It's absolutely ridiculous!!
> > Anyway, you can forego the W2K Pro step or just install W2K Server
> > twice, but if you want, you can try calling MS Fullfilment and see if
> > they will ship you the W2K Pro media for a modest fee (materials and
> > shipping only) once they're convinced that you are a legal owner of the
> > license.
> > I would never buy a ThinkPad if I had the choice!!
> > jason wrote:
> > > ...win2k pro on my machine is legal. But this is the situation:
> > > I phoned IBM support and they told me that no original win2k pro cd
> > > with the notepad. Instead, there is HIDDEN partition accessible via F11
> > > when you boot up that gives you access to
> > > - diagnostics tools
> > > - system recover (1)
> > > - system recovery (2)
> > > ....he said this is used to recover the OS if something goes wrong. But,
> > > also recommended asking IBM for an original recovery disk that could
> take up
> > > to 10 working days to arrive!
> > > So, where does that leave us now.. :)
> > > "Ricardo M. Urbano - W2K/NT4 MVP" <r...@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu> wrote in
> > > message news:3D6A42AC.98EA89AC@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu...
> > > > Ah, he contacted me directly by e-mail. We corresponded briefly, but
> > > > advised him that if he wanted more details, to post in this NG. I
> > > > basic networking very well, but not WAN technologies which is why I
> > > > leave the networking NG's to the pros ;->
> > > > If you purchased the laptop and license for W2K Pro legally, you
> > > > definitely have the media. In fact, you really cannot and should not
> > > > run NT w/o the media. You need it for repairs or reinstallations.
> > > > I assume you have the server CD at least, right?
> > > > jason wrote:
> > > > > Many thanks Ricardo - I was beginning to think I would never get a
> > > reply.
> > > > > Before we go through some of the elimination steps I have to tell
> you I
> > > > > don't have the Win2k Pro CD as it came pre-installed with my IBM
> > > > > T23.....so how does this immediately change things!
> > > > > ps: There is some guy and son on the networking newsgroup who
> > > > > posted a message about a messed up win2k OS after trying to
> > > LAN
> > > > > connections to their University - they also don't have the original
> > > May
> > > > > want to help them out if you get a chance!
> > > > > "Ricardo M. Urbano - W2K/NT4 MVP" <r...@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu> wrote
> > > > > message news:3D66C887.BCD2CD59@columbiaSPAM.SUCKSedu...
> > > > > > Jason, depends on how anal you want to be about this. I'll tell
> > > > > > what I would do, and if it seems a bit much, we can talk about
> > > > > > steps/parts you can sacrifice. My approach is only for servers
> > > > > > minimum downtime and accessibility are of the utmost importance.
> > > > > > 1) Boot w/ the W2K Pro CD and during setup, delete any and all
> > > > > > partitions on the hard drive.
> > > > > > 2) Create a 2GB (2048MB) partition at the beginning of the drive
> > > > > > install W2K Pro there on NTFS. This will allow you to get at your
> > > hard
> > > > > > drives if your W2K server installation goes south
> > > > > > 3) W2K setup will copy files to the hard drive, then boot into the
> > > > > > second part of the installation which is graphical (gui portion).
> > > There
> > > > > > you will be prompted for the CD key, machine name and
> > > > > > password. You can use the same name here that you plan to
> > > > > > use for the server.
> > > > > > 4) The second reboot will take you into W2K pro itself and you
> will be
> > > > > > prompted as to whether everyone must use a password to access the
> > > > > > system. Make to answer yes to this and use the password
> > > in
> > > > > > step 3 to login.
> > > > > > 5) Make sure your drivers are the latest and, if you will be using
> > > > > > static IP address, set that up now w/ the same IP address that the
> > > > > > server will be using.
> > > > > > 6) Install the same Windows service pack that you plan to use for
> > > server
> > > > > > and likewise for IE.
> > > > > > 7) Use Disk Management to create 2 more *primary* partitions of
> > > > > > (9x1024MB) each and format them NTFS. Note that you might
> > > have
> > > > > > less than 18GB left over because Windows calculates GB differently
> > > than
> > > > > > hard drive manufacturers do. Just split the remaining space in 2.
> > > > > > 8) Reboot w/ the W2K Server CD and install it to the second
> > > > > > 9) The installation will be very similar to W2K Pro except that
> > > will
> > > > > > have options as to what components to install. Accept the
> defaults if
> > > > > > you want a vanilla installation.
> > > > > > 10) Again, make sure your drivers are current, apply the SP and
> > > > > > IE if you want to.
> > > > > > 11) Configure your IP settings the same way you did for Pro
> > > > > > 12) Finally, you can use Drive Image or Ghost to image the 1st 2
> > > > > > partitions to the 3rd (actually, I don't know if Ghost can write
> > > > > > image file to an NTFS partition, but I know Drive Image can)
> > > > > > You can use the last partition for data and you can update your
> > > > > > every time you make a major configuration change (such as after
> > > > > > installing SQL server).
> > > > > > That pretty much covers it from a high level perspective.
> > > > > > hth
> > > > > > jason wrote:
> > > > > > > Can I bore the newgroup by asking for the exact steps to do a
> > > > > > > install' of win2k server over my win2k professional?
> > > > > > > I am very green with regards software installation and I want to
> > > it
> > > > > > > right the first time (I know, a dream!). I find the MS
> > > sites
> > > > > > > confusing and sometimes completely intimidating. They seem aimed
> > > > > highly
> > > > > > > experienced users for which I can understand. But, I just need
> > > server
> > > > > > > edition up and running with minimal requirements.
> > > > > > > These are the main questions that are plagueing me:
> > > > > > > 1. Can I start boot up disk from within
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