Low-power device recommendation

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Pete » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:21:42



 Hi all,
I'm new to embedded scene, and totally lost here. I'm looking to design a
totally stand-alone weather station and need to select a device for this.
Requirements are:

* low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V solar
power)
* 2x RS232 ports
* Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)

* solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and probably
won't work outdoors)
* ability to run "conventional" Linux that I can manage using shell access.
I'll also need to run Python and Perl on the box. Internet connectivity will
be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP via serial. Having a small MySQL
server would be nice but I can probably live without it - it's probably
going to require too much disk space anyway
* CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically it needs to poll serial
port every second, and send off aggregated data every minute or so
* extremely stable - will need to run unattended for months
* weather-proof(able)
* cheap! This is my personal project!

Any recommendations appreciated!

Peter

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Joe » Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:59:00



>  Hi all,
> I'm new to embedded scene, and totally lost here. I'm looking to design a
> totally stand-alone weather station and need to select a device for this.
> Requirements are:

> * low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V solar
> power)
> * 2x RS232 ports
> * Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)

> * solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and probably
> won't work outdoors)
> * ability to run "conventional" Linux that I can manage using shell access.
> I'll also need to run Python and Perl on the box. Internet connectivity will
> be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP via serial. Having a small MySQL
> server would be nice but I can probably live without it - it's probably
> going to require too much disk space anyway
> * CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically it needs to poll serial
> port every second, and send off aggregated data every minute or so
> * extremely stable - will need to run unattended for months
> * weather-proof(able)
> * cheap! This is my personal project!

> Any recommendations appreciated!

> Peter

Take a look at the TS 7000 from Technologics.  Looks like 2W power.  The
cpu might be a little more thab you need though.

http://www.embedded386.com/
Technologic Systems - Home Page

Joe

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Anthony Marchin » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:11:09


Quote:> * cheap! This is my personal project!

> Any recommendations appreciated!

> Peter

The guys at Technologic have a cheap board. www.embeddedarm.com, look at
the TS-7200. For about $390 you are into the embedded Linux arena. Or
just get the board for $150 and work out the development stuff onto a
card for yourself.
Put that inside an outdoor electrical box with some foam and maybe it
will run outside for a while.

I think for a project like this you might want to think slightly
smaller. Do you really need all those capabilities?

T.

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by g9u5d.. » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:09:06


Why Linux?  If low power is truly your goal, look at a low power micro
Take a look at some of the lower power application at CoAutomation.com

http://www.coautomation.com/projects/index.htm



Quote:>I'm new to embedded scene, and totally lost here. I'm looking to design a
>totally stand-alone weather station and need to select a device for this.
>Requirements are:
>* low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V solar
>power)
>* 2x RS232 ports
>* Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)
>* solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and probably
>won't work outdoors)
>* ability to run "conventional" Linux that I can manage using shell access.
>I'll also need to run Python and Perl on the box. Internet connectivity will
>be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP via serial. Having a small MySQL
>server would be nice but I can probably live without it - it's probably
>going to require too much disk space anyway
>* CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically it needs to poll serial
>port every second, and send off aggregated data every minute or so
>* extremely stable - will need to run unattended for months
>* weather-proof(able)
>* cheap! This is my personal project!
>Any recommendations appreciated!  Peter

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by RusH » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:29:46



Quote:> * low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V
> solar power)

hmm and whats going to happen at night ?

Quote:> * 2x RS232 ports

easy

Quote:> * Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)

hard

Quote:> * solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and
> probably won't work outdoors)

very hard

Quote:> * ability to run "conventional" Linux

foget it

Quote:> that I can manage using
> shell access. I'll also need to run Python and Perl

NO WAY

Quote:> on the box.
> Internet connectivity will be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP
> via serial. Having a small MySQL server

now your funny

Quote:> CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically
> it needs to poll serial port every second, and send off aggregated
> data every minute or so
> * extremely stable - will need to run
> unattended for months * weather-proof(able)
> * cheap! This is my personal project!

so do it in microcontroller ! perl and python can take care of the
data on the server

Quote:> Any recommendations appreciated!

definitelly NOT Linux

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Low-power device recommendation

Post by Michael Brenn » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:57:39





>>  Hi all,
>> I'm new to embedded scene, and totally lost here. I'm looking to design a
>> totally stand-alone weather station and need to select a device for this.
>> Requirements are:

>> * low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V solar
>> power)
>> * 2x RS232 ports
>> * Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)

>> * solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and probably
>> won't work outdoors)
>> * ability to run "conventional" Linux that I can manage using shell access.
>> I'll also need to run Python and Perl on the box. Internet connectivity will
>> be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP via serial. Having a small MySQL
>> server would be nice but I can probably live without it - it's probably
>> going to require too much disk space anyway
>> * CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically it needs to poll serial
>> port every second, and send off aggregated data every minute or so
>> * extremely stable - will need to run unattended for months
>> * weather-proof(able)
>> * cheap! This is my personal project!

>> Any recommendations appreciated!

>> Peter

>Take a look at the TS 7000 from Technologics.  Looks like 2W power.  The
>cpu might be a little more thab you need though.

>http://www.embedded386.com/
>Technologic Systems - Home Page

>Joe

Power may be an issue, but lots of available documentation for the Linksys
WRT54G. Definitely cheap, $59.95. A Broadcom chip running a 200MHZ MIPS core,
The WRT54G  has 4MB memory and 16MB ram.
The WRT54GS has 8MB flash and 32MB ram.

Seattle wireless has some good documentation (www.seattlewireless.net).

Openwrt (http://www.openwrt.org).

Paper at Sveasoft (http://www.sveasoft.com), on how to weatherize the unit.

The serial port is accessible - requires a soldering iron.

--mikeb

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Guy Maco » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:46:44



Quote:>Definitely cheap, $59.95.

<*Spits coffee all over keyboard*>

(In comp.os.linux.embedded, $60.00 is cheap, but
in comp.arch.embedded, $1.00 to $0.10 is cheap.)

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Pete » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:12:09


Quote:> > * low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V
> > solar power)

> hmm and whats going to happen at night ?

Batteries, mon! :)

Quote:> > CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically
> > it needs to poll serial port every second, and send off aggregated
> > data every minute or so
> > * extremely stable - will need to run
> > unattended for months * weather-proof(able)
> > * cheap! This is my personal project!

> so do it in microcontroller ! perl and python can take care of the
> data on the server

Why? From what I can gather TS-7200 consumes about 1.7W tops - easily doable
with solar power & batteries. I'm not too technical so 'fraid programming a
microcontroller will be too complicated. Even if I managed it (read: ported
weather station polling software to a microcontroller), consider this: it's
going to be a standalone unit, and connected to servers only via Internet
(Ethernet or serial PPP + GPRS modem). It will need to send off data
periodically to the server. Can a microcontroller handle this?

Peter

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Pete » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:12:32


Quote:> > (Ethernet or serial PPP + GPRS modem). It will need to send off data
> > periodically to the server. Can a microcontroller handle this?

>   For an Ethernet/Web uC, look at

> http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/microcontrollers/micro_ethernet.cfm
> http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3743/ln/en

OK, that will take care of Internet connectivity via Ethernet. What about
PPP dialup? Any MCs capable of doing this?

Thanks!
Peter

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Paul Keinane » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:32:14




Quote:> Hi all,
>I'm new to embedded scene, and totally lost here. I'm looking to design a
>totally stand-alone weather station and need to select a device for this.
>Requirements are:

>* low power consumption, ability to feed off single voltage (~12V solar
>power)

At what latitude are you ? That will determine the height of the sun
in the winter and thus the number of hours of daylight and the
atmospheric losses (airmass). What are the weather conditions in the
winter ? If there is a lot of clouds in the winter months, the solar
cell output will drop even further. Thus you may need backup power for
weeks or even a month. Thus, the average power consumption needs to be
extremely low.

Quote:>* 2x RS232 ports
>* Ethernet (10Mbit will be fine)

If this is a stand alone device, what do you need the Ethernet for ?
Such high speed devices consume a lot of power.

Quote:

>* solid-state disk (regular HDDs will consume too much power, and probably
>won't work outdoors)
>* ability to run "conventional" Linux that I can manage using shell access.
>I'll also need to run Python and Perl on the box.
>Internet connectivity will
>be either IPv4 (DHCP, ethernet), or PPP via serial.

So this is not a stand alone device after all ?

Why not run the power over ethernet or take it from the RS-232
handshake lines (assuming your system runs on a few milliamps).

Quote:>Having a small MySQL
>server would be nice but I can probably live without it - it's probably
>going to require too much disk space anyway
>* CPU-wise requirements are very low - basically it needs to poll serial
>port every second, and send off aggregated data every minute or so

If those are the requirements, then the system could be powered off
for 99 % of the time to save power. Thus, you need a system which can
go into deep hibernation and wake up with an external interrupt, such
as a CMOS clock once a second or you need an OS that boots in much
less than 100 ms if you do a restart every second.

Quote:>* extremely stable - will need to run unattended for months
>* weather-proof(able)

This depends on your environment requirement.

If plenty of power would be available, it would be quite simple to
keep the component and cabinet indoor temperature 5-10 degrees above
the ambient temperature (even when a warm wet wind rapidly increases
the temperature). This will prevent condensation on the components and
you can use a box with holes in the bottom to ventilate the box and
get rid of humid air when the temperature drops. With sufficient power
you can even keep the indoor temperature above 0 C (since some
components are not specified for subzero temperatures).

Quote:>* cheap! This is my personal project!

>Any recommendations appreciated!

You must either do something about your power supply or rethink the
division of labour in the system, e.g. transmit the raw measurements
directly from a system with extremely low power consumption and do any
hard processing in a system with more resources.

Paul

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Pete » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:50:34


Quote:> >   For an Ethernet/Web uC, look at

> > http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/microcontrollers/micro_ethernet.cfm
> > http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3743/ln/en

> OK, that will take care of Internet connectivity via Ethernet. What about
> PPP dialup? Any MCs capable of doing this?

Never mind, I found the answer... TINIm400
(http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/index.html) fits the bill perfectly: dual
serial ports, ethernet, 1-wire interface (which I need for weather station
anyway), Java runtime, PPP support, cheap (70$ or so + development interface
100-150$). My only reservation about this board is that it plugs into SIMM
connector which means I'll have to connect all physical connectors (serial
etc) to it somehow. Also, it takes regulated 5V while all solar
panels/batteries I've been able to find are 12V.
 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by moocowmo » Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:52:44



Quote:> > >   For an Ethernet/Web uC, look at

> > > http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/microcontrollers/micro_ethernet.cfm
> > > http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3743/ln/en

> > OK, that will take care of Internet connectivity via Ethernet. What
about
> > PPP dialup? Any MCs capable of doing this?

> Never mind, I found the answer... TINIm400
> (http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/index.html) fits the bill perfectly: dual
> serial ports, ethernet, 1-wire interface (which I need for weather station
> anyway), Java runtime, PPP support, cheap (70$ or so + development
interface
> 100-150$). My only reservation about this board is that it plugs into SIMM
> connector which means I'll have to connect all physical connectors (serial
> etc) to it somehow. Also, it takes regulated 5V while all solar
> panels/batteries I've been able to find are 12V.

You will need to regulate the solar cell output. If you want the thing to
work at night you will also need battery power. Look at a shunt regulator
for the charging the battery and a DC/DC converter to go down from 12V to
5V.

Peter

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Low-power device recommendation

Post by Klaus Vestergaard Kragelun » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:00:34





> > > >   For an Ethernet/Web uC, look at

> > > > http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/microcontrollers/micro_ethernet.cfm
> > > > http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3743/ln/en

> > > OK, that will take care of Internet connectivity via Ethernet. What
> about
> > > PPP dialup? Any MCs capable of doing this?

> > Never mind, I found the answer... TINIm400
> > (http://www.ibutton.com/TINI/index.html) fits the bill perfectly: dual
> > serial ports, ethernet, 1-wire interface (which I need for weather
station
> > anyway), Java runtime, PPP support, cheap (70$ or so + development
> interface
> > 100-150$). My only reservation about this board is that it plugs into
SIMM
> > connector which means I'll have to connect all physical connectors
(serial
> > etc) to it somehow. Also, it takes regulated 5V while all solar
> > panels/batteries I've been able to find are 12V.

> You will need to regulate the solar cell output. If you want the thing to
> work at night you will also need battery power. Look at a shunt regulator
> for the charging the battery and a DC/DC converter to go down from 12V to
> 5V.

Be sure to put in a switchmode converter with MPPT to optimize the power
from the panel. A shunt converter set at a fixed voltage will be very
in-efficiant

/Klaus

 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by T Marchin » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:22:22



>>>Definitely cheap, $59.95.

>><*Spits coffee all over keyboard*>

>>(In comp.os.linux.embedded, $60.00 is cheap, but
>>in comp.arch.embedded, $1.00 to $0.10 is cheap.)

> Geez man, TS 7200 is 160$... definitely more expensive than Linksys unit!

The TS-7200 will have more capabilities and expandability.
The Linksys will be more fun for hacking.
Its really up to you.
T.
 
 
 

Low-power device recommendation

Post by Michael Schnel » Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:32:41


 >Also, it takes regulated 5V while all solar

Quote:> panels/batteries I've been able to find are 12V.

If you don't know about switching voltage regulators, please stop
thinking about building solar driven intelligent devices.

-Michael

 
 
 

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