Bying an iMac for Linux?

Bying an iMac for Linux?

Post by Jonas Due Vesterhede » Mon, 20 May 2002 07:38:16



Hello

I'm considering bying an used iMac to run Linux. It should be as cheap as
possible, so it'll probably be one of the first models.

Here's what I want to be able to do with it:
1) Use a 1024x768 console, while running X on another virtual console
2) Run WindowMaker in 1024x768 and at least 16bit color depth (no need for KDE
  or Gnome)
3) Surf (with Opera, Konqueror or a similar, fast browser)
4) Listen to mp3's while doing 1, 2 and 3
5) Having a keyboard with the Danish letters ??? (should be no problem since
  I'm going to buy the iMac here in Denmark), and preferrably a mouse with two
  buttons and a scroll wheel.

Are all of those things possible?

Currently I am using an old PC with a Celeron 300a processor and 192mbs of ram,
and am not having problems with speed. Will the oldest iMac with a 233mhz
processor and more than 128mbs of ram be as fast (or whatever you call it :) as
the PC?

About #5, can I just plug in any USB-keyboard and/or -mouse, and expect it to
work?

And for #4, how is the quality of the built-in speakers?

The reason I want an iMac is that I like the design, and especially the fact
that it takes up very little room compared to a generic PC. I'm also curios
about trying Linux on other architectures than x86.

Thanks for your time,

Regards Jonas

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Bying an iMac for Linux?

Post by Rod Smi » Tue, 21 May 2002 09:24:01


[Posted and mailed]



Quote:> Hello

> I'm considering bying an used iMac to run Linux. It should be as cheap as
> possible, so it'll probably be one of the first models.

I've got a 266MHz iMac, so I'll answer what I can based on that....

Quote:> Here's what I want to be able to do with it:
> 1) Use a 1024x768 console, while running X on another virtual console

I'm not 100% certain what you mean by this. Most people run one instance
of X. If you mean you want X and a text-mode console running, that's
certainly possible. I don't recall offhand if I've ever tried running
two instances of X on my iMac, but I don't see why it wouldn't be
possible; I can certainly do it on x86 systems, and I don't know of any
reason why it wouldn't work on an iMac.

Quote:> 2) Run WindowMaker in 1024x768 and at least 16bit color depth (no need for KDE
>   or Gnome)

Should be no problem. I've run mine with icewm at 1024x768 and no KDE or
GNOME, 16 bpp. You'll probably find XFree86 4.x to be superior to 3.3.x;
I've never been able to get 3.3.x to behave optimally on my iMac.

Quote:> 3) Surf (with Opera, Konqueror or a similar, fast browser)

No problem. I've not used Opera on PPC, but Konqueror runs just fine.

Quote:> 4) Listen to mp3's while doing 1, 2 and 3

I'm not sure about this. I've never gotten sound to work, but I've also
not tried all that hard (it's not much of a priority for me). Certainly
the sound auto-configuration tools in SuSE 7.3 doesn't work.

Quote:> 5) Having a keyboard with the Danish letters ??? (should be no problem since
>   I'm going to buy the iMac here in Denmark), and preferrably a mouse with two
>   buttons and a scroll wheel.

I can't speak to the Danish keyboard, but a three-button or
two-button-plus-scroll-wheel mouse is workable. I've got a Logitech
Trackman Marble that works fine. I've not bothered to configure the
scroll functions, so I use the scroll button wheel as an ordinary
button.

Quote:> Currently I am using an old PC with a Celeron 300a processor and 192mbs of ram,
> and am not having problems with speed. Will the oldest iMac with a 233mhz
> processor and more than 128mbs of ram be as fast (or whatever you call it :) as
> the PC?

It'll be in the same ballpark, but the details will depend on the
software you run. The last I heard, GCC for PPC wasn't as optimized as
GCC for x86, so you're at a disadvantage there, which can cut into some
of the PPC's cycle-for-cycle speed advantage over x86 CPUs.

Quote:> About #5, can I just plug in any USB-keyboard and/or -mouse, and expect it to
> work?

Yes.

Quote:> And for #4, how is the quality of the built-in speakers?

Very poor. (Based on my experienced in MacOS.)

Quote:> The reason I want an iMac is that I like the design, and especially the fact
> that it takes up very little room compared to a generic PC. I'm also curios
> about trying Linux on other architectures than x86.

There are a few compact x86-based computers. eMachines used to make one,
for instance, although I think they've been discontinued, and I don't
know how well they work with Linux.

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Bying an iMac for Linux?

Post by Fred » Wed, 22 May 2002 09:16:44


I'm using a PowerBook G4 550 MHz with 512 MB RAM, and Yellow Dog Linux 2.2
set up everything you mentioned and more.  Screen; keyboard; touchpad;
sound; USB; keys for sound, screen, CD eject; USB optical wheel mouse;
Apple Aircard wireless 802.11b NIC; Gigabit ethernet, instant sleep when
you close the lid, etc.  Check the Yellow Dog Linux support section to
find out if sound is supported on your hardware.

http://www.yellowdoglinux.com

Linux runs really nice on this machine, about twice as fast as Mac OS X,
and all of the hardware is supported.  My daughter has an iMac G3 350 MHz
with 384 MB RAM and OS X, which runs really SLOW there.  I plan to put YDL
on that machine as well when I have a chance.

I have triple boot with Linux, Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X. My impression is
that Linux runs faster than Mac OS 9 on this machine, which should tell
you that it's fast  ;-)

Life is good  ;-)



> [Posted and mailed]



>> Hello

>> I'm considering bying an used iMac to run Linux. It should be as cheap
>> as possible, so it'll probably be one of the first models.

> I've got a 266MHz iMac, so I'll answer what I can based on that....

>> Here's what I want to be able to do with it: 1) Use a 1024x768 console,
>> while running X on another virtual console

> I'm not 100% certain what you mean by this. Most people run one instance
> of X. If you mean you want X and a text-mode console running, that's
> certainly possible. I don't recall offhand if I've ever tried running
> two instances of X on my iMac, but I don't see why it wouldn't be
> possible; I can certainly do it on x86 systems, and I don't know of any
> reason why it wouldn't work on an iMac.

>> 2) Run WindowMaker in 1024x768 and at least 16bit color depth (no need
>> for KDE
>>   or Gnome)

> Should be no problem. I've run mine with icewm at 1024x768 and no KDE or
> GNOME, 16 bpp. You'll probably find XFree86 4.x to be superior to 3.3.x;
> I've never been able to get 3.3.x to behave optimally on my iMac.

>> 3) Surf (with Opera, Konqueror or a similar, fast browser)

> No problem. I've not used Opera on PPC, but Konqueror runs just fine.

>> 4) Listen to mp3's while doing 1, 2 and 3

> I'm not sure about this. I've never gotten sound to work, but I've also
> not tried all that hard (it's not much of a priority for me). Certainly
> the sound auto-configuration tools in SuSE 7.3 doesn't work.

>> 5) Having a keyboard with the Danish letters ??? (should be no problem
>> since
>>   I'm going to buy the iMac here in Denmark), and preferrably a mouse
>>   with two buttons and a scroll wheel.

> I can't speak to the Danish keyboard, but a three-button or
> two-button-plus-scroll-wheel mouse is workable. I've got a Logitech
> Trackman Marble that works fine. I've not bothered to configure the
> scroll functions, so I use the scroll button wheel as an ordinary
> button.

>> Currently I am using an old PC with a Celeron 300a processor and 192mbs
>> of ram, and am not having problems with speed. Will the oldest iMac
>> with a 233mhz processor and more than 128mbs of ram be as fast (or
>> whatever you call it :) as the PC?

> It'll be in the same ballpark, but the details will depend on the
> software you run. The last I heard, GCC for PPC wasn't as optimized as
> GCC for x86, so you're at a disadvantage there, which can cut into some
> of the PPC's cycle-for-cycle speed advantage over x86 CPUs.

>> About #5, can I just plug in any USB-keyboard and/or -mouse, and expect
>> it to work?

> Yes.

>> And for #4, how is the quality of the built-in speakers?

> Very poor. (Based on my experienced in MacOS.)

>> The reason I want an iMac is that I like the design, and especially the
>> fact that it takes up very little room compared to a generic PC. I'm
>> also curios about trying Linux on other architectures than x86.

> There are a few compact x86-based computers. eMachines used to make one,
> for instance, although I think they've been discontinued, and I don't
> know how well they work with Linux.

 
 
 

Bying an iMac for Linux?

Post by Jonas Due Vesterhede » Thu, 23 May 2002 03:36:54



> [Posted and mailed]



>> I'm considering bying an used iMac to run Linux. It should be as cheap as
>> possible, so it'll probably be one of the first models.

> I've got a 266MHz iMac, so I'll answer what I can based on that....

>> Here's what I want to be able to do with it:
>> 1) Use a 1024x768 console, while running X on another virtual console

> I'm not 100% certain what you mean by this. Most people run one instance
> of X. If you mean you want X and a text-mode console running, that's
> certainly possible. I don't recall offhand if I've ever tried running
> two instances of X on my iMac, but I don't see why it wouldn't be
> possible; I can certainly do it on x86 systems, and I don't know of any
> reason why it wouldn't work on an iMac.

I meant the text-mode console. I hate running slrn in a terminal
emulator for X. :)

Quote:>> 4) Listen to mp3's while doing 1, 2 and 3

> I'm not sure about this. I've never gotten sound to work, but I've also
> not tried all that hard (it's not much of a priority for me). Certainly
> the sound auto-configuration tools in SuSE 7.3 doesn't work.

I searched the net, and it seems that it's possible to get the sound
working on every G3 iMac, but only using one source of sound at a time
(so you can't listen to mp3's and hear the sound of some game at the
same time). That's good enough for me.

Quote:>> And for #4, how is the quality of the built-in speakers?

> Very poor. (Based on my experienced in MacOS.)

Damned. Guess I'll have to use external speakers...

Quote:> The reason I want an iMac is that I like the design, and especially the fact
>> that it takes up very little room compared to a generic PC. I'm also curios
>> about trying Linux on other architectures than x86.

> There are a few compact x86-based computers. eMachines used to make one,
> for instance, although I think they've been discontinued, and I don't
> know how well they work with Linux.

I saw one of those eMachines on eBay. I really didn't find it pretty
compared to an iMac.

Thanks alot for your help,

Regards Jonas

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