First: I have been working with Unix since the early 80's, have made
major applications for Unix, and make my living off that. Still:
> Looks like every char mode applic for SCO is dead:
> foxpro - not even a bug fix
Was this isam based thing ever a real alternative to a relational database?
Quote:> pro - dead
> 123 for unix - dead
> wordperfect 5.2+ - hardly worth the effort
> word 5.1 - nothing doing
The demands of bussiness users have moved beyond these products. They can't
deliver on neither the ease of use nor the quality of results possible with
modern Windows based alternatives. If this hasen't happend at all locations
it sure will. GUI is better, much better, for this type of applications.
Quote:> informix 4gl - nothing doing
I have used this for as long as it has been available, and I respect Informix
for not enhancing it further, but rather makeing GUI based alternatives
(NewEra) available. Except for a diminishing number of users doing nothing
but high speed data entry, we are able to make much better products for all
other users using GUI tools. For high speed data entry itself a GUI is not
needed, but even these users can somtimes benefit, and a well designed GUI
program is allways at least as good as a character mode one.
All in all - GUI is here to take over the world!
If you want to program for Motif instead of MS Windows, feel free. But you
may find your potential market to bee very small.
Quote:> Character mode is dead even if it is the correct solution, judging by the
> marketplace. Msoft et all seem to think a P90/16mb/1g is the entry level and
> should be on everyone's desk.
With falling prices this may not be all that bad. It sure is happening here in
Norway. New machines are typically in this ballpark, even for home users.
Norwegian users has historically been the first to actually buy new technology,
but this will happen all over the world - in one or two years this will be
the very lowest entry level.
*However* our users have no significant problems with 486/33/16Mb/250-500Mb today
as an entry level machine.
It all depends on what they are going to do.
> But is there enough of a market left for the above products if someone bought
> them and kept them supported?
Probably not. It is also not very exiting to be in a continously declining market
so I would not bet on this.
> Just some thoughts.
> Joel Robinson
In another post in this thread:
> 1) the damn "Windows friendly" crap, which means no more applications for SCO
> I have money in my budget to but SCO-PRO 3 and
> a newer version of Foxbase, and any other productivity applications.....
Your problem is probably that you are one of relatively few holdouts. SCO seems
to have understood that character mode applications isn't the wave of the future.
Character mode is still appropriate for it's lower cost in some cases, but it
isn't the way the world is going. You may dislike it, but it won't be easy to
do much about it.
I must also say that your attitude towards SCO's "Windows friendly" concept is
one of the reasons why Unix never realy made it. I spoke to several Unix vendors
in the early 80's about makeing networking software available for PC's because
our *Unix* customers demanded it. At the time they disliked PC's so much that
they didn't want to tuch them.
What happend? Novell made a propriatary OS for PC networking and won the world.
Unix could have been this networking OS if only the Unix comunity haden't had
shuch strong skills at hating things.
Later some Unix people still hating PC's tried to make Unix a desktop OS using
X-Windows. They never understod the PC - although it had its share of problems
with unstability, it had lots of applications and both the PC itself and the
applications had a low price and were easy to use. That's why Microsoft won.
The marketing people at SCO has finally understod that beeing Windows friendly
is their last resort.
But I still can't install SCO on a PC and have it work as a file and printer
server for MS Windows out of the box. What I mean with this isn't that it
can't be done - the problem is that I can't do it without a lot of hard
work, and few people now how to do it. For this to be acceptable in todays
market it must be possible to insert a CD-ROM in a PC, fill data about the
configuration into GUI screens, and have the server come up as a server
for MS Windows.
So what is left for SCO is beeing a server for databases and possibly some
other server type applications (web servers comes to mind). Novell can't be
used effectively for this type of server applications, so the major competition
is Windows NT.
Does SCO have any significant advantages over Windows NT when you realy think
through all issues (forgetting about character mode programs)?
It does currently. It scales better to larger servers. Also if
you expect your application to need a very large server at some customer
site, it would be much easier to move from SCO to a say a HP Unix server
than from Windows NT. It will take Microsoft some years to be able to
compete with these large servers.
So the conclusion is we need SCO to make this kind of server.
Very Windows friendly (including standard support for file and printer
services out of the box - very easy to set up).
Very easy to set up as a server for databases, web and whatever other
server application comes along. They must work intimatly
with all suppliers of these server applications to make them run.
The discussion I have seen on cooperation with Netscape isn't reasuring
in this respect. Also the fact that Informix NewEra isn't available
for SCO comes to mind. What gives. This is your market. Or have I missed
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