> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:14:38 GMT, the entity known as "Brian K. White"
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:27:29 GMT, the entity known as Jean-Pierre Radley
> >> >John H propounded (on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 02:32:28PM -0500):
> >> >|
> >> >| Looking for help with the emulation portion of a telnet client.
> >> >|
> >> >| I'm just looking for any documentation defining SCO's 'scoansi' or 'ansi'
> >> >| term types.
> >> >|
> >> >| Most 'ansi' emuls puke when connected to SCO, because the emul is thinking
> >> >| some other ansi.. love these standards...
> >> >Use the source! Look at the scoansi entries in /etc/termcap and
> >> >/usr/lib/terminfo/terminfo.src.
> >> >There were extensive changes from OSR 5.0.5 to OSR 5.0.6
> >> >Or save your time and install Anzio, which costs $25/seat, and gets it right.
> >> Now.. that would defeat the purpose of me learning anything, wouldn't it?
> >> I have many scoansi emuls.. termlite, powertem, and even anzio. I'm looking
> >> to help get scoansi emulation built into the console telnet app.
> >> http://sourceforge.net/project/?group_id=4675
> >> digging up the src file now...
> >you want to use windows console telnet to sco and have it look and work
> Yes. Exactly that, but more specific. I want to use a windows console telnet
> into SCO and use 'ansi' or 'unix console' type emulation and have not only
> look nice, but work well. The windows console telnet already does vt100
> better than most, but I want _more_ ..
> (for others just chiming in.. I already use PowerTerm and Termlite, but am
> specifically attempting to get a working _console_ telnet client emulate the
> sco console)
> >I think then what you need is not a thorough knowledge of scoansi, but a
> >thorough knowledge of dos ansi.sys, and create a termcap & terminfo
> >entries that describe the behaviour & control of a dos/win console. then
> >whenever logging in from a dos/win box, say to sco "TERM=dosansi ;export
> >TERM" ... what do you know, there is already a half-assed dosansi/ansi.sys
> >in /etc/termcap
> > also I'd look up esr's site for his megga termcap reference. (punch in
> >"termcap raymond" in a search engine, your looking for Eric S. Raymond's
> >termcap page, All I remember of the url is that it contains the word
> Actually, it seems what I need to find out more about is what characters SCO
> is sending my way when it is trying to print the vt100-style graphics and
> doing cursor repositioning. This seems to be the only hangup. All my
> function keys and arrow, home, del, page down, etc. keys work as expected. (
> What, you have no etc. key?)
> Some of the graphic characters come out fine, others print other characters
> redraws or the cursor gets positioned.. it sorta messes things up a bit.
> Setting termtype to dosansi uses ascii (|,-, and +) to represent line drawing
> characters, but function and arrow keys are useless. Seems 'dosansi' and
> 'vt100' have a bit in common when representing graphic characters with this
> vi and vim both work quite well with the console telnet app in ansi mode.
> I'm impressed.
> >if you are looking for some already existing termcap for so that you can
> >telnet from any win box to any sco box without having to either
> >A) download, install and configure a special telnet client on the PC
> >B) patch in a special termcap entry or copy a special termcap file and
> >modify start scripts to use it
> >you'll probably have to settle for a very basic vt100 setting, which
> >should work well enough to edit config files with vi without trashing
> >them, display man pages sensibly, and use ftp.
> >scoadmin should work although probably look ugly.
> Not gonna settle. If I have to settle, I use hyperterm. Geez.. just had a
> vision of my four year old jumping up and down and stamping her feet
> screaming "I want that' ...
> I would like to help Mr. Brannan get a decent scoansi emulation into his
> Console Telnet for Win32 project. His product is free software under the GNU
> general public license and I personally commend him for this contribution to
> the win32 community. Paraphrasing some comments on his site about Console
> Telnet, it has been tested using vttest at
> http://www.kermit-project.org/vttest.html and has scored a 91, whereas the
> console telnet included with windows 2000 only scores a 39. Well, this test
> only tests vt100 performance, and it is very good. I've even run scoadmin in
> vt100 mode and it works well, even if the arrow keys don't perform.
> >what else does one need for those "cought-without-my-stuff-handy"
> Hyperterm or the old basic windows telnet.
but what is the gist of this?
Do you just want real good full terminal emulation? if so, that already
exists in the form of *sveral* telnet and serial clients. several already
work "out-of-the-box" for scoansi, several more can be configured to work
perfectly with a little work.
PuTTY, Anita, Anzio, W95-Kermit, MS-DOS-Kermit (yes msdos kermit is a
*great* telnet client), procomm, Deja/ICE, CRT, numerous shareware MUD
clients, at least 2 different java applets, basically any "ansi" terminal
that can be customized can be tweaked into doing 99% perfect scoansi. but
that's the catch. as far as I know, you can't customize the dos or windows
stock telnet clients. what you *can* do is the obverse, describe the
client to sco by writing a full termcap and terminfo entry.
But I was under the impression that what you wanted was a good working
terminal using only what can be found already on Win9x boxes, this way you
can develop a set of instructions that can be used by you or anyone,
anywhere, anytime. can't get there from here :). no way of getting around
either doing some work to the client pc by installing a better telnet
client, or at least customizing one of the ones that's included (if that's
even possible), or doing work on the sco box by writing a good termcap and
terminfo for windows telnet or hyperterm and then installing those on any
sco boxes you want to talk to.
Brian K. White http://www.squonk.net/users/linut
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