SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Martin Sohni » Wed, 20 Mar 1996 04:00:00



: Essentially, you get a full product, and in the case of the AS additional
: licenses for unlimited users and SCO UnixWare 2.1 Advanced Merge.  There
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: is no SES involved; the Software Enhancement Service options for the SCO
: UnixWare 2.1 product line have yet to be announced.

Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
upgrade, or is extra-$$$?  I desparately need to get hold of a few
un-encumbered copies of this.

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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Martin Sohni » Wed, 20 Mar 1996 04:00:00



: : Somehow, we are still being damned for the sins of the past.  It's like
: : unto the bundling/unbundling no-win deal I guess: even after Xenix is
: : finally obsoleted we'll still be blamed for its being neither BSD nor
: : System V UNIX (though in fact it helped define the latter--passing the
: : SVID with flying colors--and already included the vast majority of the
: : command-set of the former; SCO also had the very first UNIX (TM) System
: : on the market, something their detractors rarely if ever acknowledge).

: Passing the  SVID ? Maybe you mean SVVS, and then you don't say
: which one - there have been several issues of SVID as there have
: been of SVVS. I imagine you may mean SVID 1 or SVID 2 , SVR4 was SVID3.
: Whilst SCO may have licensed the trademark from AT&T first, today
: licensing the UNIX trademark involves passing much more than SVVS.
: So far only Digital and HP have licensed the UNIX trademark and
: passed the UNIX 95 certification tests - I look forward to SCO
: meeting the latest definitions.

Andrew's been in this business far longer than I have, but it must be said
that, for whatever reason, AT&T *did* grant SCO UNIX the distinction of
being the then only non-AT&T product that was allowed to call itself "Unix".
In fact, as far as I remember, it remained the only one (certainly the
only major one) until the trademark licensing was transferred to X/Open
by Novell.  BTW, has anyone resolved the issue that we debated here in
September, as to who actually *owns* the trademark now?

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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Dave Park » Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:00:00



>by Novell.  BTW, has anyone resolved the issue that we debated here in
>September, as to who actually *owns* the trademark now?

Didn't Novell hand the trademark over to X/Open?  If so, it should now
be the property of the newly merged organization.
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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Steve Wa » Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
>upgrade, or is extra-$$$?  I desparately need to get hold of a few
>un-encumbered copies of this.

From the stuff on the SCO web site, it appears that if you upgrade from
1.x or 2.0x you get the Enhanced Mode Merge included with the OS upgrade.

If you want Server merge that is an additional charge to upgrade.

If you're buying a new license you pay extra for Merge.

Steve
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School of Engineering, University of Portland
Portland OR

 
 
 

SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Michael A » Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:00:00


About a week after the price announcements, I called SCO Federal for
upgrade pricing. I was given the list upgrade pricing and was told
that SCO was not going to sell upgrades directly. I would have to go
to the resellers, I have since received 4 quotes from resellers.

I wonder which is true????

Mike


>Steve, Evan, and company:
>As far as I know, SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades are being sold by SCOSS (call
>1-800-SCO-UNIX for details) and are _not_ being sold via the distribution
>channels.  You'll need to provide them with a proof of purchase.  That's it.
>Essentially, you get a full product, and in the case of the AS additional
>licenses for unlimited users and SCO UnixWare 2.1 Advanced Merge.  There
>is no SES involved; the Software Enhancement Service options for the SCO
>UnixWare 2.1 product line have yet to be announced.
>The SCO SES product/service has been around for a while: it includes all
>upgrades and point releases for product during the term of the contract,
>as well as quarterly CD-ROM updates of all the fixes/AHSs/TAs/etc. (the
>SCO SSL or Software Support Library, also available separately).
>What Evan is alluding to here is that SCO initially offered upgrades to
>their OpenServer Release 5 product via the SES process.  To my mind this
>was a promotional deal to try and get the channels jazzed about the SES.
>Others viewed this as being "forced" to buy some sort of product/service
>they didn't need.
>And in general, few would now defend the positioning and complications
>of the initial SCO OpenServer Release 5 Upgrades (though once apprehended,
>most SCO APCs, VARs and resellers found them to be a _very_ good value).
>Evan (and some others) righteously flamed SCO over these complications, and
>SCO responded with changes (though SCO OpenServer Release 5 upgrades still
>include the complimentary SES package).
>SCO UnixWare 2.1 has no such promotion.  I hope Evan is happy now. ;^)
>Somehow, we are still being damned for the sins of the past.  It's like
>unto the bundling/unbundling no-win deal I guess: even after Xenix is
>finally obsoleted we'll still be blamed for its being neither BSD nor
>System V UNIX (though in fact it helped define the latter--passing the
>SVID with flying colors--and already included the vast majority of the
>command-set of the former; SCO also had the very first UNIX (TM) System
>on the market, something their detractors rarely if ever acknowledge).
>All I ask is that you evaluate the SCO product offerings objectively
>and dispassionately, without a bunch of baggage and dubious preconceptions
>clouding the issue.
>Hopefully, y'all will decide to stay on board with UnixWare.  But if not,
>G-d speed and best of luck.  Surely there's room for more than one player
>in this business, Eh?
>And keep those "cards and letters" coming. ;^)
>Best Regards,
>Tim
>P.S. -- SCO offers a very steep discount for not-for-resale copies of
>product for its Authorized Resellers (and I think there's free product
>for the SCO APCs).  We could probably do better, and probably will.
>Again, it's much like the bundling/unbundling no-win deal: SCO now
>allows Registered Resellers who need provide nothing more than their
>retail license.
>Try to enforce more qualifications than that and folks will scream *y
>* on the net.  Don't set standards and SCO will get slammed for that
>as well (and obviously, we can't give freebies to everybody who calls up
>and says, ``Sure, I'm a reseller'').  I have confidence in the sharp folks
>who run our channel programs, and that they will make any needed adjustments
>which prove to be advantageous to all parties.
>It wouldn't surprise me if the SES was targeted mostly at the major accounts
>and government contracts where they really like it a lot, and de-emphasised
>in the VAR/Reseller channels where it's not quite as popular (though still a
>very good value %^).
>But again, and in any case, please don't bash SCO for policies that're no
>longer in effect, or on the basis of mere speculation.  There's no need for
>that, is there???
>P.P.S. -- As has been mentioned, those UnixWare CNEs qualify for quite a lot.
>Check into the SCO ACE program for details.
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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Tim Ruck » Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:00:00




}
} Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
} upgrade, or is extra-$$$?

Hi Martin, yes it's Enhanced Mode Merge and it does come free with the
upgrades (new product get's a 30-day eval).

Best Regards,

Tim

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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Raymond Shwa » Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:00:00



>About a week after the price announcements, I called SCO Federal for
>upgrade pricing. I was given the list upgrade pricing and was told
>that SCO was not going to sell upgrades directly. I would have to go
>to the resellers, I have since received 4 quotes from resellers.
>I wonder which is true????

        I encountered the same confusion recently. The SCO office directed us
to BTG as the Federal GSA reseller. BTG came back to us with quotes, but word
that upgrades, as distinct from had to be placed directly with SCO. So I
call back to SCO, who tell me that BTG is mistaken, and they'll have to
clarify things with their reseller. We *really* need a few first copies, so
I home things are straightened out RSN.
 
 
 

SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Joaquin Mencha » Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:00:00


Quote:> Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
> upgrade, or is extra-$$$?  I desparately need to get hold of a few
> un-encumbered copies of this.

It is no longer free, it costs more!!!  And the base product costs 300% more.
 
 
 

SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Steve Wa » Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:00:00




>> Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
>> upgrade, or is extra-$$$?  I desparately need to get hold of a few
>> un-encumbered copies of this.

>It is no longer free, it costs more!!!  And the base product costs 300% more.

This is incorrect.  In the case of upgrades from previous versions, Merge
is included in the OS upgrade cost.

Only on new product does it cost extra.

Steve
--
Steve Ward, Jr., Advanced Systems Specialist
School of Engineering, University of Portland
Portland OR

 
 
 

SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Dave Park » Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>> Is that the Enhanced Mode merge?  And if so, does it come free with the
>> upgrade, or is extra-$$$?  I desparately need to get hold of a few
>> un-encumbered copies of this.

>It is no longer free, it costs more!!!  And the base product costs 300% more.

The 2-user Enhanced Mode Merge does come with the 2.1 AS upgrade.
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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Tim Ruck » Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:00:00




} About a week after the price announcements, I called SCO Federal for
} upgrade pricing. I was given the list upgrade pricing and was told
} that SCO was not going to sell upgrades directly. I would have to go
} to the resellers, I have since received 4 quotes from resellers.
}
} I wonder which is true????

Hi Mike,

Okay, here's the deal as I understand it:

Upgrades can be purchased directly from SCO Services Sales (SCOSS,
the folks on the other end of the 1-800-SCO-UNIX line).  Upgrades
can also be (and in many cases should be) purchased from your VAR,
reseller, etc.  The difference is that they would also be getting
the product, and verifying proof of purchase, via SCOSS (instead
of via their typical distribution channels).

However, there are _some_ distributors, what SCO calls Value Added
Distributors or VADs (Jeff, here's another new one for your acronym
list ;^) like Softway which do carry them.

Hope that helps.

Best Regards,

Tim

Re:


}
} >Steve, Evan, and company:
}
} >As far as I know, SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades are being sold by SCOSS (call
} >1-800-SCO-UNIX for details) and are _not_ being sold via the distribution
} >channels.  You'll need to provide them with a proof of purchase.  That's it.
} >[...]

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SCO UnixWare 2.1 Upgrades (was Re: New prices for UnixWare)

Post by Milan Lesni » Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:00:00


Hi!

I attended CEBIT fair in Germany this month. I visited SCO and asked for UW 2.1 prices
(for my personal use only - it is the best system for me). It took them 3 hours to give
me prices for UW which ware for UW 2.01 and not for UW 2.1. I wonder now why UW has so
many excellent refernces on http://unixware.sco.com (prices, robustnes and benchmarks)
whille I wasn't able to get the basic information about UW 2.1.
When I called Microsoft, they gave me all needed information about NT at once. What is
the future for Unix, when SCO is so unfriedly and not enough professional.
I'm very dissapointed about that. Shame SCO.

Regards, Milan
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1. Problems Update Unixware 2.01 to SCO UnixWare 2.1

In english:  
   I have a machine ICL Team Server H532i BiProcessor whith 64Mb of RAM,
a Adaptec 7880 enbebed in Main Board(2940), a disk SCSI of 2GB and a
ZNYX PCI Ethernet Adapter ZX342 10/100Mb. It was working in UnixWare
2.01 perfectly and I updated to SCO UnixWare 2.1. The problems began
here.
   1.- The TCP/IP begin to functionament after 10 to 20 minutes of start
the machine. The ping work perfetly but rlogin, ftp..., not.
   2.- If I exec a cpio or tar to the tape, the system return the error:
        WARNING: sector 0000 not found in ID 0
but the disk work perfectment.
   3.- Only regconize 32Mb of ram and I add in the /stand/boot the next
instruction: MEMRANGE=0-640K:256,1M-16M:512,16M-64M:8704. The computer
hangs up into 1 of 4 times.
   Thanks.
   Maximino Rosales Galvn.

   P.D.: Sorry by ny english.

   En espa?ol:
        Tengo un cliente reciente, que queria actualizarse de la versin
de UnixWare 2.01 a la de SCO UnixWare 2.1 por compatibilidad con la base
de datos que est utilizando (Progress 8.3). Segun l, la maquina estaba
funcionando perfectamente antes de que yo le actualizarse. La maquina es
un ICL Team Server H532i BiProcesador con 64Mb de RAM, una Adaptec 7880
enbebida en placa banse(o sea, una 2940), un disco SCSI de 2GB y una
tarjeta de red ZNYX PCI Ethernet Adapter ZX342 10/100Mb.
        El caso es que desde que actualiz tengo tres problemas:
   1.- Cuando por la ma?ana arracanco la maquina, a pesar de que todo,
aparentemente, est bien, el TCP/IP no funciona hasta pasados entre 5 y
20 minutos y eso si se le insiste haciendo rlogins o ftps. El ping
funciona correctamente.
   2.- Si hago una copia a cinta con el comando cpio o tar, me devuelve
el siguiente error: WARNING: sector 0000 not found in ID 0. Pero el
disco (ID 0) funciona correctamente y la copia se efectua bien.
   3.- El mas preocupante. El ordenador solo reconoce 32 de los 64Mb de
RAM que tiene. Yo introduje la instruccin:
MEMRANGE=0-640K:256,1M-16M:512,16M-64M:8704. Y ya me reconoce toda la
memoria, pero el ordenador "se cuelga" entre 1 y cuatro veces al dia.
?Alquien sabe de donde sale ":8704" o ":16896"?
        Gracias anticipadas.
        Maximino Rosales Galvn

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