Very Computer

Hi ALL
I'm looking for compiler  visual basic, were can I find a good development
tools for visual basic?
tamar

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Quote:> I'm looking for compiler  visual basic, were can I find a good
> development tools for visual basic?

Visual Basic is a Microsoft product which, AFAIK, only runs on
Windows.  (A version of it may exist for MacOS, as part of the
Microsoft Office port.  I'm not sure.)

If you're looking for a language which has a similar complexity to
Visual Basic and better performance, I'd suggest learning Python.
Python is available for MacOS, Windows and just about every flavor of
UNIX.

If you really have your heart set on Visual Basic, take a look at
http://www.gnome.org and look for "GNOME Basic".  Be warned; it's not
in a very usable state right now.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com>

iQA/AwUBOmOiRJgOGKeCwjkrEQKmkQCgsAjRjNLt+vFQc7kgMYEPHc/fjtkAnjmN
YVMYx7CNTEF1U+9LUm1juxM+
=d9Gy
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

I suppose there might be clones out by now, but I haven't heard of any.
VB is a closed-source/proprietary thing, so I doubt you'll find it on
anything MS isn't getting a profit from.

VB is a horrid botchery.  Learn to use something decent, like Python.
--
John Hasler

Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

http://xbasic.org

Regards, Frank Ranner

Other useful places to head for something _analagous_ to Visual Basic
include:

 <http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/gnuvb/>
 <http://wcnet.org/~mtrausch/>
 <http://script.basic.hu>
 <http://www.moria.de/~michael/bas/>
 <http://www.bmtmicro.com/catalog/omnibasic.html>
 <http://SoftworksLtd.com/vbvm.html>
 <http://www.truebasic.com>
 <http://www.nwnexus.com>

Most are only vaguely interoperable with any of the Microsoft
products; none provide much in the way of interoperability with third
party VB "widgets" and such...
--

http://vip.hyperusa.com/~cbbrowne/unix.html
"It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing..."

Another experimental Basic interpreter with X11 support:
http://cip.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hoffmann/X11-Basic/
maybe it is usefull.
ciao
M.

Quote:> VB is a horrid botchery.  Learn to use something decent, like Python.

I am a novice programmer learning to use VB.  I have heard good things
about Python, but I am curious why you say that about VB.  I am not
looking to start an anti-MS flame war, it's just that I am a newbie and
I am looking to learn.

Thanks.

Richard Trippeer

Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

Quote:Richard Trippeer writes:
> I am a novice programmer learning to use VB.  I have heard good things
> about Python, but I am curious why you say that about VB.

People have been designing programming languages for nearly fifty years
now, and over that time they have discovered quite a few principles of
language design.  VB violates all of them.

I can think of no worse choice for a novice programmer than VB.
--
John Hasler

Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Quote:> People have been designing programming languages for nearly fifty
years
> now, and over that time they have discovered quite a few principles of
> language design.  VB violates all of them.

> I can think of no worse choice for a novice programmer than VB.

Would you then recommend that I concentrate on non-language specific
programming techniques, or should I jump into Python or something like
it.  I have the Mark Lutz _Programming Python_. Is that a good place to
start?

Richard Trippeer

Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

You can't learn to program without doing programming.  Jump in!

Quote:>I have the Mark Lutz _Programming Python_. Is that a good place
>to start?

I haven't looked at that specific book, but Python is regarded
as an excellent choice for a*language.

--
Grant Edwards                   grante             Yow!  We are now enjoying
                                  at               total mutual interaction in
                               visi.com            an imaginary hot tub...

Yes, but the funny fact is that a very very large number of actually
working programs out there have been written in VB.

I have been a VB developer, after being a C++/perl programmer for
years and years.

VB is actually 3 things. It is a BASIC with everything but the kitchen
sink. It is an IDE which is not without merit. It is also the
birthplace of OLE/ActiveX. This is a thriving market in software
components which wondeful. For $100 or so you can buy the most amazing
little tools, and they will plop right into your programs in minutes.
Manuals? Don't even bother! Its that simple!

Well, having worked in java and with free sw for a while I can
appreciate quality, which is why I have linux on my laptop and am
thinking about trying python.

But I am also enough of an engineer to realize that despising VB is
silly when it has solved so many problems and has been so successful.
Instead I recomend that you give it a try and see for yourself.

Of course, you would have to program for windows. But in VB its not a
problem. And considering how disfunctional windows can be, that is
pretty amazing!

I will have to look at this xbasic thing...

Ed

Quote:Ed writes:
> But I am also enough of an engineer to realize that despising VB is silly
> when it has solved so many problems and has been so successful.  Instead
> I recomend that you give it a try and see for yourself.

I have, and got paid for it.  It wasn't enough.
--
John Hasler

Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin

:>People have been designing programming languages for nearly fifty years
:>now, and over that time they have discovered quite a few principles of
:>language design.  VB violates all of them.
:>
:>I can think of no worse choice for a novice programmer than VB.

: Yes, but the funny fact is that a very very large number of actually
: working programs out there have been written in VB.

No wonder than that hardware manufacters have such a profit.
Have all those programs been written on, say, eLisp, nobody ever
wanted for more than 486/100Mhz/64Mb RAM for single user workstation.

VB is excelent for quick and dirty solutions which are never going to be
extended or even used by people with another native language - all the
things are placed on the form using absolute positioning.

: I have been a VB developer, after being a C++/perl programmer for
: years and years.

: VB is actually 3 things. It is a BASIC with everything but the kitchen
: sink. It is an IDE which is not without merit. It is also the
: birthplace of OLE/ActiveX. This is a thriving market in software
: components which wondeful. For $100 or so you can buy the most amazing
: little tools, and they will plop right into your programs in minutes.
: Manuals? Don't even bother! Its that simple!

It is that very attitude that makes most Windows apps horrible mess
of components and dlls which cannot coexist on same machine.
Do it quickly, never think, customer will consume everything.

: Well, having worked in java and with free sw for a while I can
: appreciate quality, which is why I have linux on my laptop and am
: thinking about trying python.

: But I am also enough of an engineer to realize that despising VB is
: silly when it has solved so many problems and has been so successful.
: Instead I recomend that you give it a try and see for yourself.

Thanks, I've seen enough of javascript and java to despice anything big
vendors can produce.

: Of course, you would have to program for windows. But in VB its not a
: problem. And considering how disfunctional windows can be, that is
: pretty amazing!

Have you ever tried to program GUI on Tcl/Tk or Python/Tkinter?

--
Q: What's the big deal about rm, I have been deleting stuff for years?  And
   never lost anything.. oops!
A: ...
        -- From the Frequently Unasked Questions

Say it like it brother!

Anybody who is looking for a programming language with the ease
of use of VB should really have a look at Python. The things that
can be done with Python and Tkinter in 100 lines of code (including
blanks lines and comments) is simply amazing.

Erik
--
+----------------------------------------------------------+

+----------------------------------------------------------+
"Python is the most efficient language I've ever used. It's 10 times
better than any of the other tools I have used. It's free, it's
object-oriented, it adapts to everything, it runs on everything. There
is almost an indescribable 'quality without a name' attraction on my
part."   --Bruce Eckel, Author of Thinking in Java