Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by D De Villier » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00



Hi,

Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux. Sothat,
Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll be a
advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
on Borland/Inprise's idee.

For more information on the Delphi for Linux project, visit
http://www.borland.com/delphi/ or http://www.inprise.com


PS: Sorry, for my bad English...

Regards,

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Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Robert M. Taylor, Jr » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I'm waiting for C++ Builder. I've used the product on several work
projects. If Delphi is as good for Object Pascal as C++ Builder is for
C++, It's sure to be a winner. C++ Builder allows me to work on the
project (not on Windows). I'm not one who spends late nights poring over
API manuals for win32, obviously. I'm a engineer (Hardware). I have
better thing to do. I use software to run equipment, create tests and
interfacing. C++ Builder does this for me very nicely.

Bob


> Hi,

> Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux. Sothat,
> Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
> also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll be a
> advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
> newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
> you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
> me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
> on Borland/Inprise's idee.

--
-----------------------------------------------------
Bob Taylor

SuSE Linux 6.2 on a Cyrix 6x86PR233



 
 
 

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Ken » Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:00:00


I'm not so sure about the whole Delphi/C++/Win paradigm anymore, insofar as
utilizing these tools in the Linux arena.  Looks, I've used Delphi for about
5 years, going back to Delphi 2.  It's a great product.  I used Delphi 4
last year to create a kick-ass client server application, where our
employees could interact remotely (via traditional Win type 'forms') with
data stored in our SQL Server (6.5).  The system was technically the best
thing going in our enterprise.  However, people had a hard time utilizing
the features (believe me, it was easier to use than say a word processor).
A few weeks later, I through together a dynamic HTML program...wasn't very
difficult, and it wasn't very pretty.  However, our employees loved it.
Loved it!  WHY?  Because it was fast, efficient and simple to use.  They
"understand" links now. They "understand" how to click on something to get
back information, and they "understand" how to fire up their web browser.
They also understand that traditional client server applications are
difficult to get installed on their "machines" and don't want the hassel
(hassle?).

Where am I going with this discussion?  Well, I'm not so sure that
C++/Delphi/VB type development platforms are all that necessary in this new
web paradigm.  I ran across a really neat application (Joe Rock's Beer
Recipe Calculator http://www.jrock.com/recipe_calc/ ) that I'm sure my users
would got crazy for...not this particular set of datum, but this type of
form and function.  It's incredible.

How did he do it?  Well, I've written the programmer/developer several times
to get more specifics and have been unable to do get a response (probably a
frat boy out partying [enjoy it while it lasts guys, 'cause it's over before
you know it]) but it looks like he did this program with the following open
tools:  Linux (OS), Apache (Web Server), PHP (Scripting engine - think of it
as Cold Fusion only 'open', or ASP) and MySql (an open source DBMS.  Ummmm.
Let's see here.  No Delphi, no C++, no VB, No proprietary anything...runs
great, gives the users what they want, steady, rock solid, free....you get
the idea.

Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to encourage
Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that
isn't proprietary anything...runs great, gives the users what they want,
steady, rock solid, free....you get the idea.

Ken McNees



>I'm waiting for C++ Builder. I've used the product on several work
>projects. If Delphi is as good for Object Pascal as C++ Builder is for
>C++, It's sure to be a winner. C++ Builder allows me to work on the
>project (not on Windows). I'm not one who spends late nights poring over
>API manuals for win32, obviously. I'm a engineer (Hardware). I have
>better thing to do. I use software to run equipment, create tests and
>interfacing. C++ Builder does this for me very nicely.

>Bob


>> Hi,

>> Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux. Sothat,
>> Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
>> also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll be a
>> advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
>> newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
>> you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
>> me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
>> on Borland/Inprise's idee.

>--
>-----------------------------------------------------
>Bob Taylor

>SuSE Linux 6.2 on a Cyrix 6x86PR233



 
 
 

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Phillip Dun » Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:00:00


MySql - Free! - Hmmmmmmmmm!

> I'm not so sure about the whole Delphi/C++/Win paradigm anymore, insofar as
> utilizing these tools in the Linux arena.  Looks, I've used Delphi for about
> 5 years, going back to Delphi 2.  It's a great product.  I used Delphi 4
> last year to create a kick-ass client server application, where our
> employees could interact remotely (via traditional Win type 'forms') with
> data stored in our SQL Server (6.5).  The system was technically the best
> thing going in our enterprise.  However, people had a hard time utilizing
> the features (believe me, it was easier to use than say a word processor).
> A few weeks later, I through together a dynamic HTML program...wasn't very
> difficult, and it wasn't very pretty.  However, our employees loved it.
> Loved it!  WHY?  Because it was fast, efficient and simple to use.  They
> "understand" links now. They "understand" how to click on something to get
> back information, and they "understand" how to fire up their web browser.
> They also understand that traditional client server applications are
> difficult to get installed on their "machines" and don't want the hassel
> (hassle?).

> Where am I going with this discussion?  Well, I'm not so sure that
> C++/Delphi/VB type development platforms are all that necessary in this new
> web paradigm.  I ran across a really neat application (Joe Rock's Beer
> Recipe Calculator http://www.jrock.com/recipe_calc/ ) that I'm sure my users
> would got crazy for...not this particular set of datum, but this type of
> form and function.  It's incredible.

> How did he do it?  Well, I've written the programmer/developer several times
> to get more specifics and have been unable to do get a response (probably a
> frat boy out partying [enjoy it while it lasts guys, 'cause it's over before
> you know it]) but it looks like he did this program with the following open
> tools:  Linux (OS), Apache (Web Server), PHP (Scripting engine - think of it
> as Cold Fusion only 'open', or ASP) and MySql (an open source DBMS.  Ummmm.
> Let's see here.  No Delphi, no C++, no VB, No proprietary anything...runs
> great, gives the users what they want, steady, rock solid, free....you get
> the idea.

> Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
> Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to encourage
> Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
> concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that
> isn't proprietary anything...runs great, gives the users what they want,
> steady, rock solid, free....you get the idea.

> Ken McNees



> >I'm waiting for C++ Builder. I've used the product on several work
> >projects. If Delphi is as good for Object Pascal as C++ Builder is for
> >C++, It's sure to be a winner. C++ Builder allows me to work on the
> >project (not on Windows). I'm not one who spends late nights poring over
> >API manuals for win32, obviously. I'm a engineer (Hardware). I have
> >better thing to do. I use software to run equipment, create tests and
> >interfacing. C++ Builder does this for me very nicely.

> >Bob


> >> Hi,

> >> Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux. Sothat,
> >> Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
> >> also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll be a
> >> advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
> >> newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
> >> you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
> >> me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
> >> on Borland/Inprise's idee.

> >--
> >-----------------------------------------------------
> >Bob Taylor

> >SuSE Linux 6.2 on a Cyrix 6x86PR233



 
 
 

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Paul D. Smit » Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:00:00


  k> but it looks like he did this program with the following open
  k> tools: Linux (OS), Apache (Web Server), PHP (Scripting engine -
  k> think of it as Cold Fusion only 'open', or ASP) and MySql (an open
  k> source DBMS.

Just FYI, MySQL is not technically free software (or open source
software).

It's quite a bit more free than most DBs and it's almost always free in
price.  Also, some parts of it (the entire client program for example)
are actually free software (under the GPL).

But the MySQL server is not quite free enough to be considered open
source.

If it matters to you :).

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Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Victor Wagn » Sun, 16 Jan 2000 04:00:00


[skipped]

: Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
: Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to encourage
: Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
: concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that

If you want to do _applications_ don't use mySQL. It have no
transactions. Probably you, as experienced Delphi/database programming,
know what is it. Either buy interbase if you want to encourage Inprise
or use PostgreSQL if you want to avoid proprietary tools, but mySQL is
for web toys like Beer Recipe Calculator, not for real work.
(Under real work I mean something where distributed users have to modify
data in the database. And web toys without transactions may be really
useful thing)

: isn't proprietary anything...runs great, gives the users what they want,
: steady, rock solid, free....you get the idea.

: Ken McNees



:>I'm waiting for C++ Builder. I've used the product on several work
:>projects. If Delphi is as good for Object Pascal as C++ Builder is for
:>C++, It's sure to be a winner. C++ Builder allows me to work on the
:>project (not on Windows). I'm not one who spends late nights poring over
:>API manuals for win32, obviously. I'm a engineer (Hardware). I have
:>better thing to do. I use software to run equipment, create tests and
:>interfacing. C++ Builder does this for me very nicely.
:>
:>Bob
:>
:>>
:>> Hi,
:>>
:>> Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux. Sothat,
:>> Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
:>> also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll be a
:>> advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
:>> newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
:>> you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
:>> me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
:>> on Borland/Inprise's idee.
:>
:>--
:>-----------------------------------------------------
:>Bob Taylor

:>
:>SuSE Linux 6.2 on a Cyrix 6x86PR233
:>

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Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Neil Kooze » Sun, 16 Jan 2000 04:00:00



> [skipped]

> : Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
> : Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to encourage
> : Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
> : concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that

> If you want to do _applications_ don't use mySQL. It have no
> transactions. Probably you, as experienced Delphi/database programming,
> know what is it. Either buy interbase if you want to encourage Inprise
> or use PostgreSQL if you want to avoid proprietary tools, but mySQL is
> for web toys like Beer Recipe Calculator, not for real work.
> (Under real work I mean something where distributed users have to modify
> data in the database. And web toys without transactions may be really
> useful thing)

[...]

Inprise is releasing interbase as open-source:
http://www.inprise.com/about/press/2000/ib.html

Neil.

 
 
 

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Jeffery Suddet » Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:00:00


Free stuff is great but it doesn't fit into a business model.  Most
management types would rather spend money.  This is strange but true and I
can only speculate about why this is the case.  May be they just are not
sold on the idea of open source software yet.  At any rate, I think that
when Inprise releases C++ Builder for Linux it will sell like hot cakes.  I
think we will then see an increased number of applications available for
Linux.  That will make it a more attractive system to businesses and IT
managers.  That means more businesses using Linux and more jobs doing
development on Linux.  I am looking forward to that day and I can't wait for
Inprise to release C++ Builder for Linux.

Managers also need to see on paper how much money that they make or spend.
There needs to be a report tool similar to Crystal Reports.  Does one
already exist?  I think Oracle has a good report tool but I haven't had the
chance to use it yet.   Do you think that when C++ Builder for Linux comes
out it will ship with a Linux version of QuickReports?


> MySql - Free! - Hmmmmmmmmm!


> > I'm not so sure about the whole Delphi/C++/Win paradigm anymore, insofar
as
> > utilizing these tools in the Linux arena.  Looks, I've used Delphi for
about
> > 5 years, going back to Delphi 2.  It's a great product.  I used Delphi 4
> > last year to create a kick-ass client server application, where our
> > employees could interact remotely (via traditional Win type 'forms')
with
> > data stored in our SQL Server (6.5).  The system was technically the
best
> > thing going in our enterprise.  However, people had a hard time
utilizing
> > the features (believe me, it was easier to use than say a word
processor).
> > A few weeks later, I through together a dynamic HTML program...wasn't
very
> > difficult, and it wasn't very pretty.  However, our employees loved it.
> > Loved it!  WHY?  Because it was fast, efficient and simple to use.  They
> > "understand" links now. They "understand" how to click on something to
get
> > back information, and they "understand" how to fire up their web
browser.
> > They also understand that traditional client server applications are
> > difficult to get installed on their "machines" and don't want the hassel
> > (hassle?).

> > Where am I going with this discussion?  Well, I'm not so sure that
> > C++/Delphi/VB type development platforms are all that necessary in this
new
> > web paradigm.  I ran across a really neat application (Joe Rock's Beer
> > Recipe Calculator http://www.jrock.com/recipe_calc/ ) that I'm sure my
users
> > would got crazy for...not this particular set of datum, but this type of
> > form and function.  It's incredible.

> > How did he do it?  Well, I've written the programmer/developer several
times
> > to get more specifics and have been unable to do get a response
(probably a
> > frat boy out partying [enjoy it while it lasts guys, 'cause it's over
before
> > you know it]) but it looks like he did this program with the following
open
> > tools:  Linux (OS), Apache (Web Server), PHP (Scripting engine - think
of it
> > as Cold Fusion only 'open', or ASP) and MySql (an open source DBMS.
Ummmm.
> > Let's see here.  No Delphi, no C++, no VB, No proprietary
anything...runs
> > great, gives the users what they want, steady, rock solid, free....you
get
> > the idea.

> > Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
> > Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to
encourage
> > Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
> > concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that
> > isn't proprietary anything...runs great, gives the users what they want,
> > steady, rock solid, free....you get the idea.

> > Ken McNees



> > >I'm waiting for C++ Builder. I've used the product on several work
> > >projects. If Delphi is as good for Object Pascal as C++ Builder is for
> > >C++, It's sure to be a winner. C++ Builder allows me to work on the
> > >project (not on Windows). I'm not one who spends late nights poring
over
> > >API manuals for win32, obviously. I'm a engineer (Hardware). I have
> > >better thing to do. I use software to run equipment, create tests and
> > >interfacing. C++ Builder does this for me very nicely.

> > >Bob


> > >> Hi,

> > >> Borland/Inprise are planning on creating a Delphi IDE for Linux.
Sothat,
> > >> Delphi programmers can now write applications for the Linux OS. I am
> > >> also planning on using Delphi for Linux, but I am not sure if it'll
be a
> > >> advantage or a disadvantage. I decided to ask the question on this
> > >> newsgroup (and not the Delphi newsgroups), because I know that
> > >> you have experience in Linux development. Can anyone please give
> > >> me the prose & cons of Linux development and your harts opinion
> > >> on Borland/Inprise's idee.

> > >--
> > >-----------------------------------------------------
> > >Bob Taylor

> > >SuSE Linux 6.2 on a Cyrix 6x86PR233



 
 
 

Delphi for Linux - What do you think ???

Post by Christopher Brow » Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:00:00



concluded we would all be made wiser by knowing that:


>> [skipped]

>> : Well, these are just my thoughts.  Personally, I'll probably upgrade to
>> : Delphi 5 and leave it in the box (Corporate Buy), 'cause I want to encourage
>> : Inprise/Borland...But, and it's a BIG BUT...I'm personally going to
>> : concentrate on the PHP/MySql combination and release an application that

>> If you want to do _applications_ don't use mySQL. It have no
>> transactions. Probably you, as experienced Delphi/database programming,
>> know what is it. Either buy interbase if you want to encourage Inprise
>> or use PostgreSQL if you want to avoid proprietary tools, but mySQL is
>> for web toys like Beer Recipe Calculator, not for real work.
>> (Under real work I mean something where distributed users have to modify
>> data in the database. And web toys without transactions may be really
>> useful thing)

>[...]

>Inprise is releasing interbase as open-source:
>http://www.inprise.com/about/press/2000/ib.html

... But if someone needs to make a decision *now,* based on the
software that's available for Real Work today, this option should not
enter into one's consideration unless it's an option to make the
application sufficiently generic in its use of the DBMS that it won't
matter which DBMS it uses.

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possession of truth as of a city, and yet be forced to surrender."
-- Thomas Browne