Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Alan Shutk » Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:00:00



D> Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
D> MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development
D> Environment) for X?

It's not Emacs, but it does offer some rudimentary Emacs keybindings,
which should help you in the move.  Last I used it, it was still
crippled by an MDI interface, but the main reason I didn't switch is
because it isn't emacs.

D> to know about its pros/cons in an X environment.  

Last I tried it, it worked exactly the same in X as it did under
Windows.  Personally, I didn't like that, but you might.

D> lack of _easy-to-use and configure_ features like integrated
D> revision control, project management, and cross reference
D> databases...

Project management is the only thing Emacs is lacking.  Hitting C-x
C-q to check in something under version control doesn't fit my
definition of difficult to use, nor does it require any lisp.  Ditto
with cross reference databases.  You'll find that (X)Emacs supports
more languages for cross-referencing than almost anything else you'd
care to name, but that it helps to read the manual.  If you don't want
to do that, VSE might be for you.

D> up to speed (doesn't have automatic code indentation which I've
D> come to expect after using XEmacs' cc-mode, though it does do

Not much will.  VSE didn't last I tried it, although it had functional
code coloring.

--  

Learn from other people's mistakes, you don't have time to make your own.

 
 
 

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Dave Lan » Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:00:00


Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
for X?  Somebody mentioned it on comp.os.linux.development.apps a while
back.  I'm impressed with the feature list, and am downloading the Win32
demo, but would like to know about its pros/cons in an X environment.  I
do all my development in C++ with EGCS(g++/gcc) on a Linux box.  The
main question: is it worth the (reasonable) price (US$195)?!

Until recently I've been using XEmacs (19.14 mostly, but upgraded
recently to 20.4) but I'm sick of the code/feature bloat and the lack of
_easy-to-use and configure_ features like integrated revision control,
project management, and cross reference databases...   (I'm not trying
to start any fires here, it's just that I'm not motivated to learn LISP
just to deal with XEmacs) Anyway, I've looked at Cygnus Source Navigator
IDE (www.cygnus.com) which offers nearly all the features I want but
it's editor isn't up to speed (doesn't have automatic code indentation
which I've come to expect after using XEmacs' cc-mode, though it does do
syntax highlighting).  I also tried replacing their editor with the
excellent NEdit editor (http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html) but
again, despite its very nice macro language and other features, its code
indenting functionality is only in its earliest stages and doesn't suit
my needs...   Just so you know where I'm coming from.  Cheers,

Dave

--
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*       Dave Lane, NZFRI research scientist, rogue, scoundrel     *

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Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Marc Bejeran » Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
> MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> for X?  Somebody mentioned it on comp.os.linux.development.apps a while
> back.  I'm impressed with the feature list, and am downloading the Win32
> demo, but would like to know about its pros/cons in an X environment.  I
> do all my development in C++ with EGCS(g++/gcc) on a Linux box.  The
> main question: is it worth the (reasonable) price (US$195)?!

<<snip>>

If you get the current issue of Linux Journal you will find an excellent
review of Visual SlickEdit for Linux. The overall tone of the review was
quite positive (but then, I'm biased since I've been using the OS/2 version
since 2.0).

Marc

 
 
 

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Thornton Prim » Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
> MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> for X?  Somebody mentioned it on comp.os.linux.development.apps a while
> back.  I'm impressed with the feature list, and am downloading the Win32
> demo, but would like to know about its pros/cons in an X environment.  I
> do all my development in C++ with EGCS(g++/gcc) on a Linux box.  The
> main question: is it worth the (reasonable) price (US$195)?!

I really like Visual Slick Edit. I have both the Linux and the Windows
version (for those rare moments when I have to boot into Windows).

I agree that the MDI interface is rather cumbersome, but the fact that
it looks and feels the same across platforms is a plus for me. Being
able to use the same macros in Windows as in Linux is definitely nice.
Knowing that my key bindings are the same across plafotms is also nice.

I personally found myself more productive with Visual SlickEdit, which
was how I was able to justify the expense to the money powers that be
around here. As far as I can tell, it is all a matter of effort and
desire. If you want Emacs to be better, it is wide open for you to fix
yourself. If you don't have the desire to spend the effort, then you
have to figure if it is worth the $$$ to pay for VS.

I believe you can get a trial version for Linux. They probably offer a
money back guarantee. Editors are like operating systems -- they should
fit like a glove, and no one satisfies everyone.

thornton

 
 
 

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Joe Bu » Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:00:00



Quote:>If you get the current issue of Linux Journal you will find an excellent
>review of Visual SlickEdit for Linux. The overall tone of the review was
>quite positive (but then, I'm biased since I've been using the OS/2 version
>since 2.0).

Linux Journal suffers from the same disease most advertiser-driven
publications suffer from: overrating commercial software compared to
freeware.  A side-by-side comparison with, say, XEmacs would reveal
that SlickEdit doesn't offer much extra and is missing many useful
features.  But LJ wouldn't present such a comparison unless XEmacs and
SlickEdit were two competing commercial products -- even then, the
review would focus on the polish rather than the underlying functionality.
 
 
 

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Alan Shutk » Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:00:00


P> It also has the advantage of
P> having running under EVERY OS I have ever heard of (AIX, Solarix,
P> HPUX, M$ Win, Linux, BSD, OS/2, etc.).

Here, I'll introduce you to another.  AmigaOS.  Oops, didn't see it
there.  RiscOS?  Nah.  BeOS?  Wasn't there last I checked.  However, I
know of versions of Emacs on at least two of the three, and all of the
above....

(Sorry, not demeaning those who use VSE, as it is a quite capable
editor.  Just reminding people that there _are_ more operating systems
than Unix, Windows and OS/2.)

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Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Peter Garn » Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
> MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> for X?  Somebody mentioned it on comp.os.linux.development.apps a while

This is one of the BEST (IMHO) X Windows programmers editors, although
it is
a little pricey.  It also has the advantage of having running under
EVERY OS
I have ever heard of (AIX, Solarix, HPUX, M$ Win, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
etc.).  In
addition the macro and configuration files are portable between them.
I.e.
if you have a set of macros and configs for HPUX they copy to M$ Win
as
well.  Visual Slick Edit is ALL I use under X Windows!

Sincerely,

Peter

 
 
 

Comments on Visual Slick Edit (IDE) from MicroEdge??

Post by Bruce Bigb » Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:00:00



> Does anybody have any experience (first hand, preferably) with
> MicroEdge's Visual Slick Edit IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> for X?  Somebody mentioned it on comp.os.linux.development.apps a while
> back.  I'm impressed with the feature list, and am downloading the Win32
> demo, but would like to know about its pros/cons in an X environment.  I
> do all my development in C++ with EGCS(g++/gcc) on a Linux box.  The
> main question: is it worth the (reasonable) price (US$195)?!

> Until recently I've been using XEmacs (19.14 mostly, but upgraded
> recently to 20.4) but I'm sick of the code/feature bloat and the lack of
> _easy-to-use and configure_ features like integrated revision control,
> project management, and cross reference databases...   (I'm not trying
> to start any fires here, it's just that I'm not motivated to learn LISP
> just to deal with XEmacs) Anyway, I've looked at Cygnus Source Navigator
> IDE (www.cygnus.com) which offers nearly all the features I want but
> it's editor isn't up to speed (doesn't have automatic code indentation
> which I've come to expect after using XEmacs' cc-mode, though it does do
> syntax highlighting).  I also tried replacing their editor with the
> excellent NEdit editor (http://fnpspa.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html) but
> again, despite its very nice macro language and other features, its code
> indenting functionality is only in its earliest stages and doesn't suit
> my needs...   Just so you know where I'm coming from.  Cheers,

> Dave

> --
> *******************************************************************
> *       Dave Lane, NZFRI research scientist, rogue, scoundrel     *

> *******************************************************************

I have been a Visual SlickEdit for Linux user for about 3 to 4 years,
now, and still have my original version.  I have not upgraded it,
because I do not have a compelling reason to do so.  Anyway, VS is
fantastic.  I love its GUI interface, although I haven't figured out how
to get the RCS/CVS stuff to work.  That's because I'm not familiar with
those source code configuration tools.   Yes, I've used some fancy ones
at work, but I've been too lazy to figure rcs/cvs out.  The Emacs
support is okay.  The indention is just not great, like XEmacs.  I cope,
however.  Perhaps they fixed this in the latest version.  Perhaps, not.

Good luck!
--
Bruce W. Bigby/Technical Specialist (Software Engineer)
Xerox Corporation - 300-12S, 800 Phillips Road, Webster, NY 14580

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