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by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

A 4,000 node linux cluster:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000530S0011

Whats that about datacenter again?

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by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> A 4,000 node linux cluster:

Childhood behaviour, childhood answer : GNU/Linux can't use
my ASUS Riva TNT2 Ultra card at its full power, does this mean
anything ? No, just like your comment :-)

Quote:> Whats that about datacenter again?

It is beta2 now, where is that 2.4 again with good USB, SMP,
and the rest of bells ? It is still beta. Again both mean nothing.

by **JEDIDI** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> A 4,000 node linux cluster:

> Childhood behaviour, childhood answer : GNU/Linux can't use
>my ASUS Riva TNT2 Ultra card at its full power, does this mean
>anything ? No, just like your comment :-)

That may or may not be true. There are certainly Linux
gamers getting quite a bit of mileage out of Geforce's.
Although, if anything is childish, it's that kind of
benchmark. Who really cares about '* cards' when
'real work' is the topic of discussion?

Quote:
>> Whats that about datacenter again?

> It is beta2 now, where is that 2.4 again with good USB, SMP,
>and the rest of bells ? It is still beta. Again both mean nothing.

It's been available for download for some months now.
Some of us have been using it on a daily basis since
before the first of the year.

As far as 'good USB' goes, it was as 'good' as the USB on
NT5 at that time (last year). Although, what you would want
with an ultra-low-speed bus on a server is perplexing.

SMP isn't the 'problem' with 2.2 or even 2.0, the reentrancy
of the IP stack is.

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by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> That may or may not be true. There are certainly Linux
> gamers getting quite a bit of mileage out of Geforce's.

Well, sure can't use TV-IN feature.

Quote:> Although, if anything is childish, it's that kind of
> benchmark. Who really cares about '* cards' when
> 'real work' is the topic of discussion?

Sorry, did not see the first thread article.

Quote:> It's been available for download for some months now.
> Some of us have been using it on a daily basis since
> before the first of the year.

I do use it too, much more better for some things, VIA
UDMA66 included (at least 80% faster on my machine).

by **JEDIDI** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> That may or may not be true. There are certainly Linux
>> gamers getting quite a bit of mileage out of Geforce's.

> Well, sure can't use TV-IN feature.

>> Although, if anything is childish, it's that kind of
>> benchmark. Who really cares about '* cards' when
>> 'real work' is the topic of discussion?

This goes double for using a computer as a TV set.

Quote:
> Sorry, did not see the first thread article.

>> It's been available for download for some months now.
>> Some of us have been using it on a daily basis since
>> before the first of the year.

> I do use it too, much more better for some things, VIA
>UDMA66 included (at least 80% faster on my machine).

As far as 'childish' peripherals go. I've been using
a Hauppauge WinTV 401 for close to 2 years now and
the tuners on the ATI all-in-wonders are also being
supported these days.

I'm not sure if anyone in the Video4Linux community is
even aware of that Asus.

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by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> A 4,000 node linux cluster:
> Childhood behaviour, childhood answer : GNU/Linux can't use
> my ASUS Riva TNT2 Ultra card at its full power, does this mean
> anything ? No, just like your comment :-)

Wow, works fine with my Riva TNT2 card. I even have 3D
acceleration and everything. You must be doing something wrong.

Quote:>> Whats that about datacenter again?
> It is beta2 now, where is that 2.4 again with good USB, SMP,
> and the rest of bells ? It is still beta. Again both mean nothing.

And just what exactly is it supposed to support again?

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by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> > Well, sure can't use TV-IN feature.

> >> Although, if anything is childish, it's that kind of
> >> benchmark. Who really cares about '* cards' when
> >> 'real work' is the topic of discussion?

> This goes double for using a computer as a TV set.

I do not talk about watching TV at my computer, what I can
perfectly do with videoforlinux and my AverMedia, I talk about
taking video/TV images and making them digital, compressing
with MPEG and recording on a CD ... does it sound childish
enough ? You have to admit that many people work at that,
so what can't be it a hobby for me ? My card can take 60 fps
at full screen and that's interesting for me. GNU/Linux just can't
do it. I admit hardware vendor is half guilty of it, but just half.

Quote:> As far as 'childish' peripherals go. I've been using
> a Hauppauge WinTV 401 for close to 2 years now and
> the tuners on the ATI all-in-wonders are also being
> supported these days.

Remember that what is childish for you can be important
for another persons. As an example, a lot of people think
about computers as toys, and many people do live from
them (me included), don't they ?

by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> Wow, works fine with my Riva TNT2 card. I even have 3D
> acceleration and everything. You must be doing something wrong.

Me too. Just can't use a plus in my card to digitalize full screen
at 60 fps. As a graphics card it works fine. But let's forget it all :-)

Quote:> And just what exactly is it supposed to support again?

I don't mind Windows 2000 Data Center and mind me *****
what it could do. I see Windows as a desktop environment, as
a server, I by far prefer any kind of Unix, sometimes I'd use
Solaris, other FreeBSD and other GNU/Linux. As a desktop,
only GNU/Linux can even try to compete with Windows, and
I know it is doing it very well ... just a little more evolution needed.

by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> Wow, works fine with my Riva TNT2 card. I even have 3D
>> acceleration and everything. You must be doing something wrong.
> Me too. Just can't use a plus in my card to digitalize full screen
> at 60 fps. As a graphics card it works fine. But let's forget it all :-)
>> And just what exactly is it supposed to support again?
> I don't mind Windows 2000 Data Center and mind me *****
> what it could do. I see Windows as a desktop environment, as
> a server, I by far prefer any kind of Unix, sometimes I'd use
> Solaris, other FreeBSD and other GNU/Linux. As a desktop,
> only GNU/Linux can even try to compete with Windows, and
> I know it is doing it very well ... just a little more evolution needed.

Wow. We agree nearly entirely.

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by **JEDIDI** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> > Well, sure can't use TV-IN feature.

>> >> Although, if anything is childish, it's that kind of
>> >> benchmark. Who really cares about '* cards' when
>> >> 'real work' is the topic of discussion?

>> This goes double for using a computer as a TV set.

> I do not talk about watching TV at my computer, what I can
>perfectly do with videoforlinux and my AverMedia, I talk about
>taking video/TV images and making them digital, compressing
>with MPEG and recording on a CD ... does it sound childish

Dedicated hardware is much better at this. Otherwise,
you're just indulging in light dabbling. This also
goes for 3D video as well.

[deletia]

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by **bme..** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> I do not talk about watching TV at my computer, what I can
>perfectly do with videoforlinux and my AverMedia, I talk about
>taking video/TV images and making them digital, compressing
>with MPEG and recording on a CD ... does it sound childish
>enough ? You have to admit that many people work at that,
>so what can't be it a hobby for me ? My card can take 60 fps
>at full screen and that's interesting for me. GNU/Linux just can't
>do it. I admit hardware vendor is half guilty of it, but just half.

Now, let's be clear here --- GNU/linux just can't do it *with your card*.
GNU/linux can do "it" just fine with a number of other cards.... And
I speak from personal experience (although I have to admit to only
doing 50 fps, as I live in PAL-land ;-). There are two Iomega Buz in
the machine in the next room.

Bernie

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by **Marada C. Shradraka** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:
> It is beta2 now, where is that 2.4 again with good USB, SMP,
>and the rest of bells ? It is still beta. Again both mean nothing.

Get your 2.3.99 or 2.4.0-test or whatever it's called now. The big difference
is that John T. Public can get 2.4 betas, but can he download Datacentre betas
off of the net? Can he go down to Fry's and buy one? Do the Win2000 boxed
sets include a copy of Datacentre beta 1 (SuSE 6.4 at least actually includes
an [admittedly old] 2.3 kernel source package)
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by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> Get your 2.3.99 or 2.4.0-test or whatever it's called now. The big
difference
> is that John T. Public can get 2.4 betas, but can he download Datacentre
betas
> off of the net? Can he go down to Fry's and buy one? Do the Win2000
boxed
> sets include a copy of Datacentre beta 1 (SuSE 6.4 at least actually
includes
> an [admittedly old] 2.3 kernel source package)

Of course no :-) I was just a kind of playing with my words, I like 2.4
:-)

by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> Now, let's be clear here --- GNU/linux just can't do it *with your card*.
> GNU/linux can do "it" just fine with a number of other cards.... And
> I speak from personal experience (although I have to admit to only
> doing 50 fps, as I live in PAL-land ;-). There are two Iomega Buz in
> the machine in the next room.

Agree. Just wanted to point that there are Windows areas and GNU/Linux
areas, a 50 machines cluster is not for Windows (he!), and a playing machine
is not for GNU/Linux. Just by now ... let's allow the future talk :-)

by **Jorge Cuet** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> Wow. We agree nearly entirely.

Now, then let's got to drink something :-)

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