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by **Pete Goodw** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI development
tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are going to release
Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.

Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
(something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

What development tools are there for KDE - what toolkit does it use?
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Pete Goodwin

by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI development
> tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are going to release
> Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.
> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

Quote:> What development tools are there for KDE - what toolkit does it use?

Go to www.kde.org and look.

-----yttrx

by **Donovan Rebbec** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:>> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
>> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
>> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
>> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

>I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

I use KDE and I certainly don't "want windows". Where do you draw
the connection ?

Actually, GNOME resembles KDE much more closely than KDE resembles windows.

So if you're going to tell me that KDE is a "windows clone", I'll tell you
that GNOME is a "KDE clone".

Hell, you could be forgiven for thinking that GTK/GNOME is QT/KDE without
name spaces at a first glance.

--
Donovan

by **Mig Mi** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> > One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI development
> > tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are going to release
> > Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.

> > Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
> > me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
> > (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
> > of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

> I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

Hmmm.. keep in mind that Gnome is essentially a KDE clone and a bad one at
that

Quote:> > What development tools are there for KDE - what toolkit does it use?

> Go to www.kde.org and look.

> -----yttrx

by **Mig Mi** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI development
> tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are going to release
> Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.

> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

> What development tools are there for KDE - what toolkit does it use?

www.kdevelop.org

Maybe you should try a GTK+ based (Gnome uses GTK+) and find links to Glade
and libGlade on www.freshmeat.net.. I prefer KDE but i just adore Glade and
libglade :-)

by **Donovan Rebbec** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
>> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
>> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
>> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

I didn't find the original post.

The first thing you'd want to do is learn QT. KDE is basically a bunch of
classes that use QT. The Qt docs are very good and it comes with a tutorial.
The API is quite nice to use.

Now once you have a "QApplication", you can fairly easily turn it into a
"KApplication", since the former is derived from the latter. Then you
can start looking at the KDE tutorials on developer.kde.org and try to
get a feel for the extras in KDElibs.

As for GUI dev tools, the most popular one appears to be KDevelop. There's
also a bunch of other tools for building Qt interfaces.

Cheers,
--
Donovan

by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> > One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI development
>> > tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are going to release
>> > Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.

>> > Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
>> > me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
>> > (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
>> > of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

>> I see. What you appear to want is Windows.
> Hmmm.. keep in mind that Gnome is essentially a KDE clone and a bad one at
> that

Actually it isnt. Talk to developers from both sides. They both cater to
the needs of people who enjoy the windows GUI. Thankfully for the rest of us
there are dozens of very nice alternatives.

-----yttrx

by **abrax** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>>> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
>>> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
>>> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
>>> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

>>I see. What you appear to want is Windows.
> I use KDE and I certainly don't "want windows". Where do you draw
> the connection ?

As an X right on top of the start button. :)

Quote:> Actually, GNOME resembles KDE much more closely than KDE resembles windows.

And FVWM95 resembles it even more closely. The point is that they both follow
the windows GUI method exceedingly closely.

Quote:> So if you're going to tell me that KDE is a "windows clone", I'll tell you
> that GNOME is a "KDE clone".

Youd be wrong. KDE was purposely designed with some aspects of windows
in mind, just as Gnome was.

Quote:> Hell, you could be forgiven for thinking that GTK/GNOME is QT/KDE without
> name spaces at a first glance.

GTK is a better system.

-----yttrx

by **sierra_tig..** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> Actually it isnt. Talk to developers from both sides. They both cater to
> the needs of people who enjoy the windows GUI. Thankfully for the rest of us
> there are dozens of very nice alternatives.

I happen to like Gnome, but then, I mostly use it to open up multiple
xterms and run console programs in them.

--
Da Katt
[Still waiting for something interesting to put in a sig file]

by **Cihl** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:> I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

I personally think KDE is a lot prettier than
Windows. It has a softer look at is much more
customizable. I also saw Gnome/Enlightenment
recently, and this looks nice too.
If Linux is going to make it to the people's
desktops, it needs such a nice interface. A nice
interface seems to shallow the learning curve and
improve productivity.

--
% make fire
Don't know how to make fire
% Why not?
No match

by **Cihl** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> >>> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not impress
> >>> me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on it
> >>> (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't think much
> >>> of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

> >>I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

> > I use KDE and I certainly don't "want windows". Where do you draw
> > the connection ?

> As an X right on top of the start button. :)

> > Actually, GNOME resembles KDE much more closely than KDE resembles windows.

> And FVWM95 resembles it even more closely. The point is that they both follow
> the windows GUI method exceedingly closely.

You seem to thing this is a very bad thing. Do you
have a better idea? Now FVWM, THAT's ugly!

--
% make fire
Don't know how to make fire
% Why not?
No match

by **Pete Goodw** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> One reason that has kept me away from Linux is the lack of GUI
>> development tools for it. This may change this year as Borland are
>> going to release Kylix, a version of Delphi for Linux.

>> Another reason has been the desktop. What I saw a while ago did not
>> impress me - however, I had a spare PC at home so I installed Linux on
>> it (something I try out every so often). I tried Gnome but didn't
>> think much of it - then I tried KDE - ah yes, MUCH better.

>I see. What you appear to want is Windows.

No, I want a reasonable desktop. What was there before wasn't usable
compared to RISC-OS standards. RISC-OS isn't Windows BTW.

Quote:>> What development tools are there for KDE - what toolkit does it use?

>Go to www.kde.org and look.

Thanks.

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Pete Goodwin

by **Donovan Rebbec** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

>> Actually, GNOME resembles KDE much more closely than KDE resembles windows.

>And FVWM95 resembles it even more closely. The point is that they both follow
>the windows GUI method exceedingly closely.

No, they don't. Compare MFC to KDE, and then compae GNOME to KDE. You
could just about write a perl program to translate a KDE program
to a GNOME program ( esp if you're using GTK-- ).

s/gtk_signal_connect/QObject::connect/g

etc etc. The APIs are extremely similar. They are certainly not similar
to MFC or Win32.

Now to the dumb user, they might "feel" like Windows, because they have
taken a few of the design/UI elements, like the shortcut keys and the
"taskbar". But the resemblence is rather superficial. OTOH, the resemblence
of GTK with QT and KDE with GNOME is extremely similar. They both use
this signal/slot type architecture ( though GTK calls them "callbacks",
they look and act a lot like KDE's slots. )

Quote:>Youd be wrong. KDE was purposely designed with some aspects of windows
>in mind, just as Gnome was.

Such as ? Give me KDE function calls and MFC function calls. I've given
my example : QObject::connect ( used to connect a signal to a slot )
and gtk_signal_connectS ( used to connect a signal to a callback ).

Quote:>> Hell, you could be forgiven for thinking that GTK/GNOME is QT/KDE without
>> name spaces at a first glance.

>GTK is a better system.

How so ?

--
Donovan

by **Donovan Rebbec** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

Quote:>> Hmmm.. keep in mind that Gnome is essentially a KDE clone and a bad one at
>> that

>Actually it isnt.

Actually, that's not far from the truth. There was a case where one guy
got his perl parser and converted one of the Qt APIs to a GNOME API
( I can't remember which one it was, maybe the html widget ). If you'd
programmed with either API and looked at the other, you'd know this.

It's not entirely fair to call GNOME a "KDE clone" though because IIRC,
GTK either preceded QT or at least was written independently ( as a
drop in replacement for Motif )

--
Donovan

by **2:1** » Sun, 31 Dec 1899 09:00:00

> > > Actually, GNOME resembles KDE much more closely than KDE resembles windows.

> > And FVWM95 resembles it even more closely. The point is that they both follow
> > the windows GUI method exceedingly closely.

> You seem to thing this is a very bad thing. Do you
> have a better idea? Now FVWM, THAT's ugly!

I use FVWM (the mwm lookalike version). I think it provides a nice interface (with
the right toolbars) and has a low overhead.

-Ed

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> % make fire
> Don't know how to make fire
> % Why not?
> No match

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