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Hi,

Looks like Microsuck is again coming up with their own
lame and crippled standards. Let's not allow it to kill
Java that we know and like. We all know Microcreeps from
Redmond hate UNIX, OS2, Mac and "other guys" and you can
read more upon the subject at:

http://www.pcweek.com/opinion/1125/25week.html

Regards,

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Quote:> Looks like Microsuck is again coming up with their own
> lame and crippled standards. Let's not allow it to kill
> Java that we know and like. We all know Microcreeps from
> Redmond hate UNIX, OS2, Mac and "other guys" and you can
> read more upon the subject at:

Seriously though, as far as I'm concerned, MS can do what they like.
There's enough Linux hackers in the world now to come up something
better. And it will be better, because software written for fun and for
free is nicer to use than proprietary software, even it isn't always as
polished (or in Microsoft's case, cutesy, which is not the same thing).

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: Hi,
:
: Looks like Microsuck is again coming up with their own
: lame and crippled standards. Let's not allow it to kill
: Java that we know and like. We all know Microcreeps from
: Redmond hate UNIX, OS2, Mac and "other guys" and you can
: read more upon the subject at:
:
: http://www.pcweek.com/opinion/1125/25week.html

        Ooooh.. looks like Microsoft's idiotic thinking may signal the end
of their empire.  Building Java applications that ONLY run under Windows
is about as idiotic as having an html "standard" that only works with
Windows.. Have they finally flipped their lids?  It's like they're
reinventing the English alphabet but leaving out the letter Q and X
because "well.. we just don't see a significant marketshare for these
letters.. we'd much rather see people put their resources towards
developing new words using the other 24 letters.  Yes.. we do understand
that the rest of the world will continue to use all 26 letters but we feel
they'll eventually see the light and come to realize our way is the best
way." ;)

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Regards,
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Quote:Seymour) writes:

I don't know if running a Cyrix counts.

But the Linux guys will have another platform to run as soon as
the PowerPC microkernel Linux project is done
(http://www.mklinux.apple.com) or something like that with links
coming out from Apple Devworld.

Rgds,

Chris

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Quote:

> 1. NT is apparently Microsoft's next "buy or die" product.
> 2. NT already runs on x86, DEC Alpha, and MIPS systems.
> 3. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect NT-PPC to come into existence before
>    3q 1997, if it isn't already.

I think they dropped the MIPS version of NT.

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Quote:> And the Linux server for Mach makes Linux feasible on a *lot* of
> hardware

Axel

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Axel

Yesterday I stopped by Computer Literacy Bookshop, and there on display
were shiny new CD ROMs, each emblazoned with both the Apple Computer
Logo and the Linux Penguin logo. The label says MkLinux "brought to
you by Apple Computer". This must be the fruit of the Apple Computer
alliance with the OSF to bring Linux to the Power Mac. Price tag said
twenty dollars. I gathered from the label that this CD ROM is also being
distributed with the cooperation of Prime Time Freeware.

: Yesterday I stopped by Computer Literacy Bookshop, and there on display
: were shiny new CD ROMs, each emblazoned with both the Apple Computer
: Logo and the Linux Penguin logo. The label says MkLinux "brought to
: you by Apple Computer". This must be the fruit of the Apple Computer
: alliance with the OSF to bring Linux to the Power Mac. Price tag said
: twenty dollars. I gathered from the label that this CD ROM is also being
: distributed with the cooperation of Prime Time Freeware.

Yup.  That would be DR2 (Developer Release 2).  They're not up to a reference
release, and it only works on the first generation and a half of PowerMacs,
and still using Linux 1.2.x, but all that changes sometime very soon.  The
version to support PCI PowerMacs may be available online in a "bleeding
edge" beta as early as the end of next week (this according to Michael Burg),
and Linux 2.0 based betas are already floating around (the PCI Beta is 2.0,
I believe), and RR1 should follow shortly thereafter, after the beta bugs are
cleaned up.

As for the quality...  I'm using DR1 still, and it's fairly stable (about 90%
of boots survive until I shut down hours later, on occasion it will just die,
but that's several months of bug fixes behind.  :-)

Seems pretty promising.

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: As for the quality...  I'm using DR1 still, and it's fairly stable (about 90%
: of boots survive until I shut down hours later, on occasion it will just die,
: but that's several months of bug fixes behind.  :-)

I use DR2 on a fairly regular basis, having obtained in in a less
elegant manner (i. e. took my hard drive to SDSU and downloaded it :)
It's been rock-solid with no unexpected crashes.  I've managed to do
some dumb things that brought mkLinux down (once I tried to call
execvp() with an argument list that lacked a null terminator.  That
caused a "kernel panic", a forced reboot, and I had to run fsck()
manually to fix the file system.)

My biggest beef with mkLinux as it stands right now is trivial:
the super-crude boot loader.  You get two options--a dialog box
that defaults to mkLinux after 10 seconds, or no mkLinux at all.
And should mkLinux not be able to boot (e. g. if Mac VM is turned
on) it flashes a modal dialog box _during boot_.  Stupid, stupid--
hasn't Apple said that flashing a dialog box during INIT time is
something that you should never do?  Isn't that what the Notification
Manager is for??

Cheers,
-et
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