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by **Wayne Wills** » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:46:39

ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

by **Adam Wilhit** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:45:44

> ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

> This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there

a lot faster than rh's site,
thanks,
Adam

by **Anonymou** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:18:45

> ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

> This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
What's new in RedHat 7.2?

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by **Wayne Wills** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:13:22

ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

by **Craig Kelle** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:53:38

> > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

> > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

> RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
> What's new in RedHat 7.2?

Ext3 out of the box. :)

Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

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by **Kevin M. Wilc** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:29:22

>> ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

>> This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

> RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
> What's new in RedHat 7.2?

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yep...ext3 out of the box, an optional bootloader via GRUB2 (nicer to
look at graphically, easier to add kernels), gnome 1.4....it's pretty
spiff....I updated from 7.1 and, aside from the question of whether or
not to upgrade or new install, if I wanted grub/lilo/no boot loader, and
if I wanted to update all packages, it was entirely automated (of course,
7.1 was, too)...if not a mission critical system, I'd say go for it :)

kw

by **Bob Hau** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:43:14

>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

What? Surely you can't mean what you wrote there, since ext{2,3} do have
user and group permissions.

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by **Craig Kelle** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 01:51:12

> >When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
> >a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

> What? Surely you can't mean what you wrote there, since ext{2,3} do have
> user and group permissions.

The sad thing is, he can and *does* mean everything he writes.

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by **Mark Ke** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:18:36

>On 24 Oct 2001 11:53:38 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>> > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

>>> > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

>>> RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
>>> What's new in RedHat 7.2?

>>Ext3 out of the box. :)

>>Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
>>comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

Like you can in ext2 and ext3, you mean?

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by **The Ghost In The Machi** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:37:28

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bob Hauck

wrote
on Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:43:14 GMT

>>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

>What? Surely you can't mean what you wrote there, since ext{2,3} do have
>user and group permissions.

I think he means ACLs, a la NTFS.

To be sure, Unix can do that, with a little work; the idea is,
if a file needs to be shared by two groups, create a third group
and include everyone in the two groups in it. Extend as
necessary. :-)

(That example is a bit bodgy, though.)

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by **Anonymou** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 05:36:47

> > > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

> > > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

> > RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
> > What's new in RedHat 7.2?

> Ext3 out of the box. :)

> Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
> comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

I'm a little wary of using a new filesystem
now. Especially if it hasn't been field tested
for very long. At least I know ext2 is somewhat
mature and not likely to trash all my work at some
awkward moment.

Anyone know to what extent ext3 has been tested?

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by **Jim Richardso** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:26:44

>> > > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

>> > > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

>> > RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
>> > What's new in RedHat 7.2?

>> Ext3 out of the box. :)

>> Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
>> comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

> I'm a little wary of using a new filesystem
> now. Especially if it hasn't been field tested
> for very long. At least I know ext2 is somewhat
> mature and not likely to trash all my work at some
> awkward moment.

> Anyone know to what extent ext3 has been tested?

rest assured then, Ext3 is simply a journal, added to Ext2, you can
mount an ext3 filesystem as Ext2, you just loose the journaling. THe
basic filesystem code is the same. Also, I believe that redhat has been
using ext3 for over 12 months on rpmfind.net.

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by **Jim Richardso** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:28:30

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:18:36 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>>On 24 Oct 2001 11:53:38 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>>>> > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

>>>>> > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

>>>>> RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
>>>>> What's new in RedHat 7.2?

>>>>Ext3 out of the box. :)

>>>>Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
>>>>comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

>>>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>>>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

>>Like you can in ext2 and ext3, you mean?

> You can't in ext2. You can only give permission to you, your group, and
> everyone. You can't give permissions to specific users.

bash> newgrp foo
bash> adduser bar foo

Done.
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by **The Ghost In The Machi** » Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:35:56

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, drsquare

wrote
on Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:51:39 +0100

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:37:28 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bob Hauck

>> wrote
>>on Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:43:14 GMT

>>>>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>>>>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

>>>What? Surely you can't mean what you wrote there, since ext{2,3} do have
>>>user and group permissions.

>>I think he means ACLs, a la NTFS.

>Yes, that's it.

>>To be sure, Unix can do that, with a little work; the idea is,
>>if a file needs to be shared by two groups, create a third group
>>and include everyone in the two groups in it. Extend as
>>necessary. :-)

>>(That example is a bit bodgy, though.)

>And can never compete with this "NTFS".

Of course not, for various reasons. NTFS is the industry-standard[*]
file system, for the industry-standard[*] operating system, on
the industry-standard[*] computing system.

It's crap.

Here's one example. As I understand it, Microsoft, in their infinite
wisdom, provided an interesting defragmentation API. However,
DiskKeeper Lite, while taking advantage of that API, somehow
refuses to move directories in NTFS. Why? I can't be sure, but
suspect some bodgery. A similar mechanism in Unix is unfortunately
impossible, although in the case of Unix it's far simpler to just
dismount the volume and have defragmentation systems check the
mount table. Assuming Unix even needs a defragger anyway.

Here's another example. Same software indicates a huge amount of
fragmentation on large files. It's not clear whether that fragmentation
is because the file is being written that way, or whether it's because
other files are getting in the way (one easy way to create fragmented
files: create two files, and write blocks alternately to the
two open files).

It does not support full data journaling, only metajournaling.
This means that the file system can be consistently recovered,
but the data can be totally blasted.

Some other issues with the system -- NTFS isn't responsible here.
Does NT have an auto-pulled verification mode like Unix and Linux?
If Unix or Linux mounts a volume writable, the superblock --
probably all of them based on the simple observation that the
volume "chitters" for some seconds during the mount -- gets
rewritten with a flag that indicates it's mounted. Most likely,
this is s_mtime versus s_wtime (see 'ext2_super_block' in
/usr/include/linux/ext2_fs.h). There are a few other checks
as well that ext2fs can do.

It is worth noting that ext2 has ACL support, although I'm not
sure what tools are available for managing same, or whether
Linux has the ACL code in the kernel. I'd have to look;
it doesn't look complete in 2.2.

[*] It is not clear whether one can equate "industry-standard"
with "most widely used", but a lot of people do.
Word is arguably the most passed-around non-ASCII file format
in Emails, for example; this despite the fact that it's not
registered as an official standard AFAIK, although some
documentation may be available at the vendor's website,
and it's probably been cracked 6 ways from Sunday by now.
Windows is the prevalent solution on desktops.
It's called ISA -- Industry Standard Architecture.
Idiotically Stupid and Aggravating is more like it.
(PCI is replacing it, thankfully. But AutoConfig(tm)
existed in the late 1980's, and looked to be a very
workable technology for the Amiga. We wouldn't have
anything like it until Plug and Play arrived almost 10 years
later.

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by **Mark Ke** » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 19:05:55

>On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:18:36 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>>On 24 Oct 2001 11:53:38 -0600, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>>>> > ftp://ftp.linuxnirvana.com/pub/linux/redhat/7.2/iso/i386

>>>>> > This isn't an official RH mirror site, but the MD5SUMS are there.

>>>>> RedHat 7.1 is working fine for me right now.
>>>>> What's new in RedHat 7.2?

>>>>Ext3 out of the box. :)

>>>>Although installing ext3 "by hand" is pretty trivial if you're
>>>>comforatble with patching the kernel and upgrading the e2fs tools.

>>>When are they going to stop *ing about with these ext's and come up with
>>>a file system where you can give permissions to specific users and groups?

>>Like you can in ext2 and ext3, you mean?

>You can't in ext2. You can only give permission to you, your group, and
>everyone. You can't give permissions to specific users.

But 'you' are a specific user.

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