FreeBSD vs. Linux

FreeBSD vs. Linux

Post by Sean Trubha » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:17:54



I've tried to read all the relevant threads on this topic, but they
don't really address my questions. I also realize that the question of
the 'better' OS, Linux or Free BDS, is irrelevant. I'm coming from
Windows, and have limited experience with Solaris Unix, and am
entirely ignorant of Linux/FreeBSD.

I want to set up a box running MySQL and PHP and Apache, for the
purpose of developing e-commerce sites to run on said Solaris server.
This will run on an x86 system. I don't want to focus on the OS, but
instead want to focus on internet functionality. From the info I've
read, I'm favoring FreeBSD because it seems to be better supported and
more stable than Linux and more 'server-like', but at this point I
have a completely open mind.

Question: I want as transparent an OS as possible, and don't want to
spend any time fooling with the OS. Which would better suit my
purpose, Linux or FreeBSD? Or does it really make any difference?

TIA to all you take the trouble to reply.

 
 
 

FreeBSD vs. Linux

Post by Linon » Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:51:18


After takin' a swig o' grog, Sean Trubhais belched out this bit o' wisdom:

Quote:> Question: I want as transparent an OS as possible, and don't want to
> spend any time fooling with the OS. Which would better suit my
> purpose, Linux or FreeBSD? Or does it really make any difference?

> TIA to all you take the trouble to reply.

I don't know.  I suspect that, at your level of knowledge,
either one would be fine.  Linux has slightly more external
support, i.e. vendors, and probably a more advanced kernel,
and perhaps more support apps.  But I'd try both, and see what
differences /you/ encounter.

Chris

--
UNIX... Software for the *agile* business

 
 
 

FreeBSD vs. Linux

Post by Joe Oppegaar » Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:44:07





>> I've tried to read all the relevant threads on this topic, but they
>> don't really address my questions. I also realize that the question of
>> the 'better' OS, Linux or Free BDS, is irrelevant. I'm coming from
>> Windows, and have limited experience with Solaris Unix, and am entirely
>> ignorant of Linux/FreeBSD.

>> I want to set up a box running MySQL and PHP and Apache, for the
>> purpose of developing e-commerce sites to run on said Solaris server.
>> This will run on an x86 system. I don't want to focus on the OS, but
>> instead want to focus on internet functionality. From the info I've
>> read, I'm favoring FreeBSD because it seems to be better supported and
>> more stable than Linux and more 'server-like', but at this point I have
>> a completely open mind.

>> Question: I want as transparent an OS as possible, and don't want to
>> spend any time fooling with the OS. Which would better suit my purpose,
>> Linux or FreeBSD? Or does it really make any difference?

> Go with Mandrake Linux.  It is the most transparent free (or otherwise)
> UNIX out there, other than buying a machine with UNIX pre-installed on
> it.

> If you use FreeBSD, you're *going* to have to get your hands dirty
> (which is actually a *fun* thing, at least in my opinion :).

I run FreeBSD as my server machine, and Mandrake linux as my desktop and,
personally, I would choose FreeBSD to run the e-commerce site. I've found
FreeBSD to perform very well as a server. They seem to be more
convservative on what services are running out of the box, and more
focused on security. Plus one of the 'goals' of FreeBSD is to serve,
hence their main graphic reading "Power to Serve". One thing to remeber
is most distro's focus on a certain aspect. Read up on OpenBSD and NetBSD
as an example.

Though if you run Mandrake, or a variety of any other linux's I'm sure the
difference would be negligible unless this was some huge site with thousands
of hits per day.

My buddy runs RedHat with Apache and the PHP mod and it works really well
too.(Though there are very few hits to the site).

It's all a matter of preference, I would try each out for 2 weeks and see
what you think. Both with FreeBSD and Mandrake Linux it is very easy to
customize the kernel, as long as you don't mind reading a little.

--
-Joe Oppegaard

 
 
 

FreeBSD vs. Linux

Post by Rex Ballar » Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:34:38



> I've tried to read all the relevant threads on this topic, but they
> don't really address my questions. I also realize that the question of
> the 'better' OS, Linux or Free BDS, is irrelevant. I'm coming from
> Windows, and have limited experience with Solaris Unix, and am
> entirely ignorant of Linux/FreeBSD.

The primary distinction between Linux and FreeBSD is that the Linux
kernel
has been published under General Public License.  This limits the
"hidden
hacks" that can be included into kernel priveledged drivers.

The Linux kernel has captured a larger mind-share, and with backing
from
companies like IBM, Dell, and HP, has inherited some of the best
features
of several systems.  Linux also supports a good number of platforms.

BSD has always had a problem with code forks.  Even today you have
FreeBSD,
NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSDi, and System Vr4 with BSD 4.4 enhancements.

Unless you are a kernel hacker you would have a hard time telling the
difference.

Quote:> I want to set up a box running MySQL and PHP and Apache, for the
> purpose of developing e-commerce sites to run on said Solaris server.

Both platforms will work equally well.  And both Linux and BSD will
port
directly to Solaris quite easily.

Quote:> This will run on an x86 system. I don't want to focus on the OS, but
> instead want to focus on internet functionality.

Probably good thinking.

Quote:> From the info I've read,
> I'm favoring FreeBSD because it seems to be better supported and
> more stable than Linux and more 'server-like', but at this point I
> have a completely open mind.

Linux has a much larger market share, but BSD, especially FreeBSD is
widely used for it's fast performance.  This performance comes at the
cost of more restrictions on hardware configurations, the willingness
to do more manual or scripted configuration.

In many ways, FreeBSD is essentially another "Linux Distribution" in
that
Linux programs work quite well on FreeBSD and BSD programs work quite
well
on Linux.

FreeBSD supports things like sub-partitioning (managing a single
partition
as a set of BSD partitions and mount points).  Linux has more dynamic
self-tuning memory management.

Quote:> Question: I want as transparent an OS as possible, and don't want to
> spend any time fooling with the OS. Which would better suit my
> purpose, Linux or FreeBSD? Or does it really make any difference?

I would suggest that you start with Mandrake Linux, either 7.2 or 8.0.
These are very user friendly, support a number of devices, and have
been
specifically targeted toward users with little or no UNIX experience.
Even UNIX gurus tend to like Mandrake because they don't have to focus
on the details.

I would strongly suggest that you start with the "Deluxe" edition if
you
can.  This one allows automated installation of nearly all packages in
the
distribution.  The standard version tends to require more manual
installation
effort.

SuSE is the "Luxury Car" of Linux distributions.  It's big, filling a
DVD or 7 CDs,
and contains many applications on the standard selection list that are
isolated from
other distributions.  SuSE has become very popular with the Financial
sector.

Red Hat is a good "work-horse".  Red Hat auto-installs the "standard
distribution" and
gives you the option of requesting things like KDE.  Several other
applications, including
commercial applications, must be installed separately from the
Toolbox, Workstation, Server,
and/or Commercial Applications CDs.

FreeBSD 5.0 or later is very powerful, and can be carefully tuned for
optimal performance
as a server.  Back in the days of FreeBSD 4.x and Linux 2.2, Linux was
not as fast or reliable
as FreeBSD, but unless you are running a large bank of servers, it's
really hard to tell the
difference.  My ISP like FreeBSD because they can manage everything
from a vt100 telnet
connection.  That may seem arcane, but given that they have set the
system to page them
when there are problems, and they call in from remote locations, and
there is often NOBODY
in the server room for hours, this is an effective way to resolve
problems without having
to run back to the server room.

Linux offers similar features.  It's just that FreeBSD users have more
incentive to
learn the cli interfaces much earlier.

Quote:> TIA to all you take the trouble to reply.

Rex Ballard
http://www.open4success.com

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FreeBSD vs. Linux

Post by GreyClou » Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:07:35




> > I've tried to read all the relevant threads on this topic, but they
> > don't really address my questions. I also realize that the question of
> > the 'better' OS, Linux or Free BDS, is irrelevant. I'm coming from
> > Windows, and have limited experience with Solaris Unix, and am
> > entirely ignorant of Linux/FreeBSD.

> The primary distinction between Linux and FreeBSD is that the Linux
> kernel
> has been published under General Public License.  This limits the
> "hidden
> hacks" that can be included into kernel priveledged drivers.

> The Linux kernel has captured a larger mind-share, and with backing
> from
> companies like IBM, Dell, and HP, has inherited some of the best
> features
> of several systems.  Linux also supports a good number of platforms.

> BSD has always had a problem with code forks.  Even today you have
> FreeBSD,
> NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSDi, and System Vr4 with BSD 4.4 enhancements.

> Unless you are a kernel hacker you would have a hard time telling the
> difference.

> > I want to set up a box running MySQL and PHP and Apache, for the
> > purpose of developing e-commerce sites to run on said Solaris server.

> Both platforms will work equally well.  And both Linux and BSD will
> port
> directly to Solaris quite easily.

> > This will run on an x86 system. I don't want to focus on the OS, but
> > instead want to focus on internet functionality.

> Probably good thinking.

> > From the info I've read,
> > I'm favoring FreeBSD because it seems to be better supported and
> > more stable than Linux and more 'server-like', but at this point I
> > have a completely open mind.

> Linux has a much larger market share, but BSD, especially FreeBSD is
> widely used for it's fast performance.  This performance comes at the
> cost of more restrictions on hardware configurations, the willingness
> to do more manual or scripted configuration.

> In many ways, FreeBSD is essentially another "Linux Distribution" in
> that
> Linux programs work quite well on FreeBSD and BSD programs work quite
> well
> on Linux.

> FreeBSD supports things like sub-partitioning (managing a single
> partition
> as a set of BSD partitions and mount points).  Linux has more dynamic
> self-tuning memory management.

> > Question: I want as transparent an OS as possible, and don't want to
> > spend any time fooling with the OS. Which would better suit my
> > purpose, Linux or FreeBSD? Or does it really make any difference?

> I would suggest that you start with Mandrake Linux, either 7.2 or 8.0.
> These are very user friendly, support a number of devices, and have
> been
> specifically targeted toward users with little or no UNIX experience.
> Even UNIX gurus tend to like Mandrake because they don't have to focus
> on the details.

> I would strongly suggest that you start with the "Deluxe" edition if
> you
> can.  This one allows automated installation of nearly all packages in
> the
> distribution.  The standard version tends to require more manual
> installation
> effort.

> SuSE is the "Luxury Car" of Linux distributions.  It's big, filling a
> DVD or 7 CDs,
> and contains many applications on the standard selection list that are
> isolated from
> other distributions.  SuSE has become very popular with the Financial
> sector.

> Red Hat is a good "work-horse".  Red Hat auto-installs the "standard
> distribution" and
> gives you the option of requesting things like KDE.  Several other
> applications, including
> commercial applications, must be installed separately from the
> Toolbox, Workstation, Server,
> and/or Commercial Applications CDs.

> FreeBSD 5.0 or later is very powerful, and can be carefully tuned for
> optimal performance
> as a server.  Back in the days of FreeBSD 4.x and Linux 2.2, Linux was
> not as fast or reliable
> as FreeBSD, but unless you are running a large bank of servers, it's
> really hard to tell the
> difference.  My ISP like FreeBSD because they can manage everything
> from a vt100 telnet
> connection.  That may seem arcane, but given that they have set the
> system to page them
> when there are problems, and they call in from remote locations, and
> there is often NOBODY
> in the server room for hours, this is an effective way to resolve
> problems without having
> to run back to the server room.

> Linux offers similar features.  It's just that FreeBSD users have more
> incentive to
> learn the cli interfaces much earlier.

Hi Rex.  I'm using Redhat 7.1 and the vt220 telnet works great to my
vaxstation.
The application keypad is already setup and works like a charm.
 
 
 

1. FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows

I don't know which is better, FreeBSD or Linux, but I think we can all
agree that these two collectively kick Windows' ass.  Here are the areas
in which FBSD & Linux are better than Windows:

*  Speed -- both win in this area.  M$ needs to cut down on the bloat in
order to compete with UNIX, no two ways about it.  I don't know where
the bloat is coming from;  must be MS's "desktop environment", i.e.,
Explorer being used as the Window manager.

* Multitasking -- Windows 98 multitasking is still a joke.  However, M$
claims that UNIX still isn't as sophisticated as Windows when it comes
to threading and running threaded apps.  Maybe, but the multitasking
isn't nearly as good as in FreeBSD or Linux.  It's better than Windows
3.1's "multitasking", but what OS doesn't have better multitasking than
Windows 3.1?

* xanim is better than "Media Player".  Recently I tried to play an avi
file under Win98, and it tried to download a new codec from some web
server somewhere, but failed.  Then when I try to select the option
"check for player upgrades", it says I don't need one.  Meanwhile, Media
Player can't play a basic avi file.  I tried the same file(s) under
xanim, and it worked OK.

Here are some areas in which Windows is still better than FBSD and
Linux:

*  better books on programming, systems programming, etc.  I don't think
there's any books out there on specifically programming for FreeBSD
(although Stevens' book might be close).

* Microsoft Office is less bloated than Star Office.

I wonder if Charles Petzold ever did any UNIX/X11 programming?  He
probably did, but won't admit it in public.  He's got this image of "Mr.
Windows Programmer", so he probably doesn't want to destroy that image.
I wonder if Charlie is interested in writing a book on "Programming
FreeBSD-current"?  That would be neat! ;-)

Donn

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