Very Computer

        Okay everyone, this is what I think:
        No matter what I say, no matter how neutral I try to be, I am
informed by dozens that I am a flaming idiot.  If I suddenly started to
say that I WAS a flaming idiot, that would not make you happy because of
course, I did not say it correctly.  I did not cite enough technical
references for your liking, so you'd flame me again for finally agreeing
with you.
        So far as my points about Linux, I have made mistakes, but no
more than most of you do either.  When I tried to neutrally explain the
advantages of Linux, citing what it could actually DO, you tell me by
even posting it I was out of line just because you don't like what I have
to say.  
        So far as NT being multiuser, it's not.  Get over it.  MS doesn't
make multi-user.  They certainly don't make Xenix and SCO anything.  So
far as DOS ruling, I appreciated one post which explained the ten major
flaws of DOS, in his own amusing way.  As I have said before and I say
again: if you want to use inefficient, insulting, hard-to-use software
and machinery, that's your choice.  I only wanted to explain the fact
that Linux can do the things I claimed.  You'll also note I don't
cross-post to four different newgroups to spread my point.  When I talk
about Linux, I usually send it to a linux newsgroup, as opposed to the
hundreds of you that want to spread your propaganda of Gates and Mac
across the world(or so it seems).
        In short, when I am not inflammatory, I am considered a moron,
when I am wrong, I am considered a moron, when I am right, I am
considered a moron(yes I realize this sentence's grammar sucks) and when
I am just trying to explain something(as I did with someone's memory
question a while back), I am considered a moron.
        It seems that no one out there will ever be pleased with what I
say, and I realize this will make you all much happier, but am I giving
up.  I will not stand around and take your *anymore when I try to
start a thread and someone doesn't like it.  If, as you claim, you want
information to travel between people, tell me and all of my associates
why I seem so stupid to you.  I don't attempt to get flamed, yet surely
enough, after every post, I get mail reading something to the effect
of:"You know nothing, you're a moron, my system can do all this stuff and
more and if I wanted to, I could tell you what it was, but since I have
to go reboot my machine because the main.grp has been oddly deleted by my
operating system, I won't."  Or place anything else you would like in
those quotes that you would send to me.  I don't care.  As far as I'm
concerned, 50% of you don't have a clue, the next 30% don't want to have
a clue and the last 15-18% just want to flame people.  The last couple
percentiles are reserved for those people who can continue an argument
without resorting to calling people *s and such.  But, since so
many people seem to have difficulty with these things, I will bid
farewell for the last time.

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You're just plain incorrect on this point.  From everything I've
heard, NT is multiuser.

You can do the equivalent of an "ls -l" and see who has which
permissions on which files.  You can do the equivalent of a "ps ux"
and see which processes are running as which userids.

What feature is it lacking that is making you incorrectly assert that
it's not a multiuser OS?

Mind you, I'm not saying NT is any good at all.  I think it sucks
quite a lot.  But I don't claim it's not multiuser when it is.
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Well, you've never heard of Tektronix then?
They sell a package (a rather pricey one at that) which upgrades
nt to a multiuser OS which can run X.... It's called WinDD -
Now pray tell, Mr DeJulio, why would Tektronix go to all that trouble
if nt was already multiuser?

Quote:>You can do the equivalent of an "ls -l" and see who has which
>permissions on which files.  You can do the equivalent of a "ps ux"
>and see which processes are running as which userids.

huh? what do you mean by "equivalent"? what command would you type?

Quote:>Mind you, I'm not saying NT is any good at all.  I think it sucks
>quite a lot.  But I don't claim it's not multiuser when it is.

Well, I agree with you about it sucking, but you are clueless
if you claim that nt is a multiuser system...

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From what I hear, Tektronix's stuff is NOT a modification to make NT
multiuser.

It's a modification to make it so multiple people can run native NT
GUI apps at the same time on one NT station (like we can do with X11
right now).  That is, I can, while sitting at my station, run an app
on your station and display it on mine.  The filesystem permissions
and the concept of a process having a userid are already there;
Tektronix didn't have to add them.

Think of Unix before the time of X11.  Remember Sun's windowing system
from those days (SunView?).  It could not display windows on other
stations, only on the one you were sitting at.  If you were on one
sun, and didn't have inetd running, and were running this windowing
system, and didn't have a getty running on any of the serial ports,
there was *NO WAY* for another person to be using the same computer at
the same time.

Does that mean their OS wasn't multiuser?

NO.

It was Unix, it was inherently multiuser, even if it happened to be
configured so only one person could use it at a time at the moment.

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This is either a vey good troll, or you are extremely uninformed. SCO Xenix
was actually written by MS (and I think they wrote that one themselves) and
the licensed out to SCO. I believe it was in exchange for a hefty chunk of
stock shares, which MS still holds.

Bernie

                                                                    ^^^^

Quote:>   say, and I realize this will make you all much happier, but am I giving
>   up.  I will not stand around and take your *anymore when I try to
>   start a thread and someone doesn't like it.  If, as you claim, you want
>   information to travel between people, tell me and all of my associates
>   why I seem so stupid to you.  

It's your style, dude.  Work on it s'more.

Have a hit, relax, and think back to your freshman writing class where
they tell you about elements of effective writing.  (Hint: ethos, logos,
pathos.)  Then take a look at a post which others, including yourself,
perhaps, find to be effective in conveying the author's ideas.  Try to
emulate that style and see what you can learn from it.

Last hint: I point out "what" in a sentence of yours above.  Look
deeper.

Quote:>   I don't attempt to get flamed, yet surely
>   enough, after every post, I get mail reading something to the effect
>   of:"You know nothing, you're a moron, my system can do all this stuff and
>   more and if I wanted to, I could tell you what it was, but since I have
>   to go reboot my machine because the main.grp has been oddly deleted by my
>   operating system, I won't."  Or place anything else you would like in
>   those quotes that you would send to me.  I don't care.  As far as I'm
>   concerned, 50% of you don't have a clue, the next 30% don't want to have
>   a clue and the last 15-18% just want to flame people.  The last couple
>   percentiles are reserved for those people who can continue an argument
>   without resorting to calling people *s and such.  But, since so
>   many people seem to have difficulty with these things, I will bid
>   farewell for the last time.

As you wish.

ObLinuxAdvocacy: The startup company I am working for uses (or at least,
plans to use) Linux for its excellent development environment.  As it is
a startup, everything is "mission-critical", so this is another "we use
Linux in a mission-critical way" plug.  Also, the book _Running Linux_
by Matt Welsh has been helpful.

(Due to us being in our infancy, questions on the startup unrelated to
Linux will be silently ignored.)

Happy hacking,
thi
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