END GAME: EU may fine Microsoft & seek Windows revision

END GAME: EU may fine Microsoft & seek Windows revision

Post by David Mohri » Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:42:20



Leaked document spells out EU concerns and remedies ...

http://www.veryComputer.com/
+European antitrust enforcers may seek a massive fine from Microsoft and
+demand that it drop some features from its * Windows software,
+according to a published report citing a confidential European Commission
+document outlining its case.
...
But most importantly
+The newspaper said the finding suggests the Europeans could seek changes in
+current and future software products to end the alleged violations.

Aucuns changements incompatibles de SAMBA!
No SAMBA incompatible changes!
Keine inkompatiblen ?nderungen der SAMBA!
Nessun cambiamenti incompatibili del SAMBA!

As predicted

David Mohring - Put Microsoft's own proprietary Mediaplayer codecs and formats
                into the public domain, revoking the associated patents!

 
 
 

END GAME: EU may fine Microsoft & seek Windows revision

Post by John Saunder » Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:14:40



Quote:> Leaked document spells out EU concerns and remedies ...

> http://www.veryComputer.com/
> +European antitrust enforcers may seek a massive fine from Microsoft and
> +demand that it drop some features from its * Windows software,
> +according to a published report citing a confidential European Commission
> +document outlining its case.
> ...
> But most importantly
> +The newspaper said the finding suggests the Europeans could seek changes
in
> +current and future software products to end the alleged violations.

> Aucuns changements incompatibles de SAMBA!
> No SAMBA incompatible changes!
> Keine inkompatiblen ?nderungen der SAMBA!
> Nessun cambiamenti incompatibili del SAMBA!

> As predicted


nz

David, I just read your 31-Aug-01 post, and I have some questions about your
added commentary.

You said, "Making secret proprietary changes that introduce new
incompatibilities
with samba ( http://www.veryComputer.com/ ) in the NT4 and Win2k SP updates
and the whole kerberos server incompatabilty thing.". What led you to
believe that this was an issue the EU regulators had? Did they say so in
their document? Also, wrt the Samba incompatibilities, do you know whether
those changes broke any other SMB product?

You also said, "IMO this is more concerned with Microsofts use of
unpublished API OS interfaces than the bundling issue. ". Again, I'd like to
know if this comes from the EU or from somewhere else.

Thanks,
John Saunders


 
 
 

END GAME: EU may fine Microsoft & seek Windows revision

Post by Mark Ke » Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:29:25



>Leaked document spells out EU concerns and remedies ...

>http://www.veryComputer.com/
>+European antitrust enforcers may seek a massive fine from Microsoft and
>+demand that it drop some features from its * Windows software,
>+according to a published report citing a confidential European Commission
>+document outlining its case.
>...
>But most importantly
>+The newspaper said the finding suggests the Europeans could seek changes in
>+current and future software products to end the alleged violations.

>Aucuns changements incompatibles de SAMBA!
>No SAMBA incompatible changes!
>Keine inkompatiblen ?nderungen der SAMBA!
>Nessun cambiamenti incompatibili del SAMBA!

>As predicted


Interesting.  I wonder why this was leaked?

--
Mark Kent
                                               Take out the ham to mail me.

 
 
 

END GAME: EU may fine Microsoft & seek Windows revision

Post by David Mohri » Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:51:09





>> Leaked document spells out EU concerns and remedies ...

>> http://www.veryComputer.com/
>> +European antitrust enforcers may seek a massive fine from Microsoft and
>> +demand that it drop some features from its * Windows software,
>> +according to a published report citing a confidential European Commission
>> +document outlining its case.
>> ...
>> But most importantly
>> +The newspaper said the finding suggests the Europeans could seek changes
>in
>> +current and future software products to end the alleged violations.

>> Aucuns changements incompatibles de SAMBA!
>> No SAMBA incompatible changes!
>> Keine inkompatiblen ?nderungen der SAMBA!
>> Nessun cambiamenti incompatibili del SAMBA!

>> As predicted


>nz

>David, I just read your 31-Aug-01 post, and I have some questions about your
>added commentary.

>You said, "Making secret proprietary changes that introduce new
>incompatibilities
>with samba ( http://www.veryComputer.com/ ) in the NT4 and Win2k SP updates
>and the whole kerberos server incompatabilty thing.". What led you to
>believe that this was an issue the EU regulators had?
>Did they say so in their document?

From the original EU press release in august
"""http://www.veryComputer.com/
p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=IP/01/1232|0|RAPID&lg=EN"""
+
+The European Commission has informed Microsoft Corp. that it believes that
+the US software company may have violated European antitrust rules by using
+illegal practices to extend its * position in the market for personal
+computer operating systems into the market for low-end server operating
+systems. Low-end server systems are cheaper servers usually used as file and
+print servers as well as Web servers.

Quote:>Also, wrt the Samba incompatibilities, do you know whether
>those changes broke any other SMB product?

Not sure, SAMBA is the only other SMB product I had used and keep track of.

Quote:

>You also said, "IMO this is more concerned with Microsofts use of
>unpublished API OS interfaces than the bundling issue. ". Again, I'd like to
>know if this comes from the EU or from somewhere else.

Microsoft's unpublished APIs have been a major issue with a lot of
developers, since the release of windows 3.11 for workgroups.
Even Ken Wasch, president of the The Software & Information Industry
Association (SIIA), remarked on it when Microsoft started FUDing
the open source and GPL.

From "SIIA Responds to Microsoft Statement on Open Source"
http://www.veryComputer.com/
+"Furthermore, Microsoft's assertions that its business model embodies the
+open-source movement through current practices of sharing source code is
+incredulous," continued Wasch. "While it is certainly reasonable for a
+software publisher to maintain proprietary practices regarding the sharing
+of source code, it is safe to say that Microsoft shares certain, but not
+all, Application Programming Interfaces (APIs), and only does so when it is
+in the best interests of the company, not in the interest of dynamic
+innovation within the industry."

The press release ...
"""http://www.veryComputer.com/
p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=IP/01/1232|0|RAPID&lg=EN"""
... covered the bundling of Mediaplayer but also included the quoted sentence
+Competing products may therefore be a priori set at a disadvantage which is
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^
+not related to their price or quality.

IMO ( In My Opinion ), given the EU Commissions realization that it is
compatibility which enables competition in the server market, it is likely
that they might also force Microsoft to document *all* and publish of the
OS APIs to better enable competition in the client market.

+Mario Monti, Competition Commissioner stated "Server networks lie at the
+heart of the future of the Web and every effort must be made to prevent
+their monopolisation through illegal practices. The Commission also wants to
+see undistorted competition in the market for media players. These products
+will not only revolutionise the way people listen to music or watch videos
+but will also play an important role with a view to making Internet content
+and electronic commerce more attractive.

Note this hints at my signture over public domaining Microsoft's own codecs and
digital media formats.

+The Commission is determined to
+ensure that the Internet remains a competitive marketplace to the benefit of
+innovation and consumers alike."

>Thanks,
>John Saunders


David Mohring - XP Injunction Probability 70% and rising ...
 
 
 

1. END GAME: EU Commission initiates additional proceedings against Microsoft

"""http://europa.eu.int/rapid/start/cgi/guesten.ksh
?p_action.gettxt=gt&doc=IP/01/1232|0|RAPID&lg=EN"""
+Brussels, 30 August 2001
+
+Commission initiates additional proceedings against Microsoft
+
+The European Commission has informed Microsoft Corp. that it believes that
+the US software company may have violated European antitrust rules by using
+illegal practices to extend its dominant position in the market for personal
+computer operating systems into the market for low-end server operating
+systems. Low-end server systems are cheaper servers usually used as file and
+print servers as well as Web servers.

Making secret proprietary changes that introduce new incompatibilities
with samba ( http://www.samba.org ) in the NT4 and Win2k SP updates
and the whole kerberos server incompatabilty thing.

+In a Statement of Objections, the
+Commission also alleges that Microsoft is illegally tying its Media Player
+product with its dominant Windows operating system.

IMO this is more concerned with Microsofts use of unpublished API OS
interfaces than the bundling issue.

+This Statement of
+Objections supplements one sent to the company a year ago and adds a new
+dimension to the Commission's concerns that Microsoft's actions may harm
+innovation and restrict choice for consumers. A Statement of Objections is a
+formal step in European antitrust proceedings which does not prejudge the
+final outcome.

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