Very Computer

I've been* out over in alt.os.windows-xp, generally just reeling at
the multitudes of issues that people are having with that POS that
"JustWorks" and is "SoEasyToUse" (tm's).  With an average of over 75
posts/hr, most of which are from lusers looking for help with an issue, I
don't see it at all.

So, these people looking for help have the indubitable pleasure of being
"serviced" by entities like kantdoit man, azzwad, re-lick, and others of
that ilk.

Most of this "assistance" is provided in the form of denigrating and
insulting remarks, incompetant and inadequate answers, and references to
sites that often are just as [un]helpful such as the M$ Online "Help"
Center.  BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!!  Sorry, that was funny.

In lieu of this, I think those factions who like to point at the 'nix
world and our predilection for instructing persons to RTFM, really need to
spend a little time in their own camp and take a look at what's going on
over there.

Hell, I'll take a curt RTFM anyday over being called a *ing
idiot/moron/ignoramus/cunt/dickhead/etc.

In addition, these knowledgeable and heldful individuals the greatest
majority of times don't help or assist at all!  I mean, ok if you have to
take a little abuse to get an answer, then sobeit.  But to be abused
outright and STILL not get any advice is a downright flagrant foul!

I try to help out and offer advice where I can over there.  I know,
blasphemy!  It's just my nature to try and help out if I have the ability
and time to. Truthfully, I really feel so sorry for those poor folks who
are just looking for answers and instead get abuse.

All of this just makes me appreciate the unparalleled friendliness,
competance, committment and support of the OSS community that much more.

Thanks guys!  :-)

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Running LGX - Linux + GNU + XFree86: Gentoo flavored

You k'n hide de fier, but w'at you gwine do wid de smoke?
                -- Joel Chandler Harris, proverbs of Uncle Remus

 I'll drop in there every once in a while and try to answer some
questions, doing _no_ overt proselytizing for Linux in the hope that my
signature will tweak their interest.

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Yeah, sure we'll help you.  All it will cost is your last shred of human
dignity ;)

Quote:> Most of this "assistance" is provided in the form of denigrating and
> insulting remarks, incompetant and inadequate answers, and references to
> sites that often are just as [un]helpful such as the M$ Online "Help"
> Center.  BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!!  Sorry, that was funny.

I sometimes wonder whether they are just faking those posts for each
other to knock down.

Quote:> In lieu of this, I think those factions who like to point at the 'nix
> world and our predilection for instructing persons to RTFM, really need to
> spend a little time in their own camp and take a look at what's going on
> over there.

Especially considering ours is an advocacy group not a help group.

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Error log for Fri, 08 Nov 2002 05:39:15 +0000, segfault in module "Robt.
Miller": dump details are as follows...

Ditto that, unless of course there's an opportunity that I just can't pass
up!

;-)

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rapskat -   7:05am  up 4 days, 22:16,  2 users,  load average: 0.22, 0.82, 0.50
Running LGX - Linux + GNU + XFree86: Gentoo flavored

You are here:  
                ***
                ***
             *********
              *******
               *****
                ***
                 *

                 But you're not all there.

Most of the posts are about getting SP1 to work with their pirated
copies of XP.

Quote:> So, these people looking for help have the indubitable pleasure of being
> "serviced" by entities like kantdoit man, azzwad, re-lick, and others of
> that ilk.

> Most of this "assistance" is provided in the form of denigrating and
> insulting remarks, incompetant and inadequate answers, and references to
> sites that often are just as [un]helpful such as the M$ Online "Help"
> Center.  BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!!  Sorry, that was funny.

> In lieu of this, I think those factions who like to point at the 'nix
> world and our predilection for instructing persons to RTFM, really need to
> spend a little time in their own camp and take a look at what's going on
> over there.

> Hell, I'll take a curt RTFM anyday over being called a *ing
> idiot/moron/ignoramus/cunt/dickhead/etc.

It happens in both groups, but I find the Linux groups to be more
mature in their mudslinging.
The knowledge level of the people in the Linux groups is also at
a much higher level.

That's what I see here in COLA. I haven't forgotten some of the abuse
hurled in my direction, like being called "shithead" for example. I also
seem to remember taking you up on your kind offer of help - then
descovering later you had no intention of doing anything of the sort.

Quote:> In lieu of this, I think those factions who like to point at the 'nix
> world and our predilection for instructing persons to RTFM, really need to
> spend a little time in their own camp and take a look at what's going on
> over there.

> Hell, I'll take a curt RTFM anyday over being called a *ing
> idiot/moron/ignoramus/cunt/dickhead/etc.

Or a "shithead"?

Or dealing with someone who says he'll help you but then doesn't?

Quote:> In addition, these knowledgeable and heldful individuals the greatest
> majority of times don't help or assist at all!  I mean, ok if you have to
> take a little abuse to get an answer, then sobeit.  But to be abused
> outright and STILL not get any advice is a downright flagrant foul!

You said it!

Quote:> I try to help out and offer advice where I can over there.  I know,
> blasphemy!  It's just my nature to try and help out if I have the ability
> and time to. Truthfully, I really feel so sorry for those poor folks who
> are just looking for answers and instead get abuse.

And you did what precisely when you "helped" me?

Quote:> All of this just makes me appreciate the unparalleled friendliness,
> competance, committment and support of the OSS community that much more.

Where? Where? I've yet to see this mysterious community to which you are
referring.

Quote:> Thanks guys!  :-)

Yeah, thanks for nothing!

--
Pete Goodwin, using Mozilla 1.1 on Windows 2000.
"Regrettably, this on-line Apocalyptic Travel service is not visible in
certain browsers as even the Lord doesn't have the patience to debug a
Microsoft product."

Error log for Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:53:04 +0000, segfault in module "Pete
Goodwin": dump details are as follows...

Quote:>  I also
> seem to remember taking you up on your kind offer of help - then
> descovering later you had no intention of doing anything of the sort.

* you Pete.

You want to pick on that one instance, but you neglect to mention how you
wouldn't give me enough detail to do any real diagnosing of the issues.
How I had to drag out of you the makes and models of the devices in
question.  And how you wouldn't give me errors messages or much more than,
"I plug it in and it doesn't work".

And I am sure how everyone remembers how you were incapable of discerning
my email address with the same simple instructions that are now in my sig.

Now to mention how you were *ing and moaning about how a video card
that you supposedly purchased had no support for LGX, when the drivers
were readily available RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SITE!  Who "helped" you
there and told you they were available?

You are not interested in help.  You are a liar and poser with zero
credibility as far as I'm concerned.

All of this hardware that you say you have that supposedly isn't supported
with LGX is a bunch of baloney.  I doubt you even have any of the devices
that you claim to have.

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rapskat -   7:03pm  up 8 days, 10:17,  2 users,  load average: 0.18, 0.24, 0.18
Running LGX - Linux + GNU + XFree86: Gentoo flavored

There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists.
If it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 at 00:11 GMT, rapskat
spilled his alphabet soup on the floor, and the letters spelled:

Quote:> Error log for Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:53:04 +0000, segfault in module "Pete
> Goodwin": dump details are as follows...

>>  I also
>> seem to remember taking you up on your kind offer of help - then
>> descovering later you had no intention of doing anything of the sort.

> * you Pete.

> You want to pick on that one instance, but you neglect to mention how you
> wouldn't give me enough detail to do any real diagnosing of the issues.
> How I had to drag out of you the makes and models of the devices in
> question.  And how you wouldn't give me errors messages or much more than,
> "I plug it in and it doesn't work".

> And I am sure how everyone remembers how you were incapable of discerning
> my email address with the same simple instructions that are now in my sig.

> Now to mention how you were *ing and moaning about how a video card
> that you supposedly purchased had no support for LGX, when the drivers
> were readily available RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SITE!  Who "helped" you
> there and told you they were available?

> You are not interested in help.  You are a liar and poser with zero
> credibility as far as I'm concerned.

> All of this hardware that you say you have that supposedly isn't supported
> with LGX is a bunch of baloney.  I doubt you even have any of the devices
> that you claim to have.

Be careful Rappy, a search of google groups never once indicated that
Petty goodWIN claimed to have a pecker.

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Matt
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This may get posted twice, so I'll apologise in advance if it does...

Quote:>>  I also
>> seem to remember taking you up on your kind offer of help - then
>> descovering later you had no intention of doing anything of the sort.

> * you Pete.

Charming.

Quote:> You want to pick on that one instance, but you neglect to mention how
> you wouldn't give me enough detail to do any real diagnosing of the
> issues. How I had to drag out of you the makes and models of the
> devices in question.  And how you wouldn't give me errors messages or
> much more than, "I plug it in and it doesn't work".

In the context of the EMails I sent you, I listed things in general terms
yes. I don't remember you ever responding to that list.

Perhaps you are referring to posts here in COLA? If so, I don't really
recall what you're talking about.

Quote:> And I am sure how everyone remembers how you were incapable of
> discerning my email address with the same simple instructions that are
> now in my sig.

So I made a mistake? That gives you the right to be insincere?

Quote:> Now to mention how you were *ing and moaning about how a video
> card that you supposedly purchased had no support for LGX, when the
> drivers were readily available RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SITE!  Who
> "helped" you there and told you they were available?

They were *not* available when I first posted my comments. They are
available *now*. I just didn't check the second time I posted my comments
again. What am I, all knowing?

Quote:> You are not interested in help.  You are a liar and poser with zero
> credibility as far as I'm concerned.

You are not interested in helping certain people. You are insincere. You
accuse others of lying with zero proof, then when they call you out, you
fall down to profanity. Typical zealot response.

Quote:> All of this hardware that you say you have that supposedly isn't
> supported with LGX is a bunch of baloney.  I doubt you even have any
> of the devices that you claim to have.

REALLY?

Be careful what you say, it may come back to bite you.

http://www.veryComputer.com/

It's a bit out of date now. The router PC box has gone (replaced by a
router/switch), the PC downstairs is running Windows XP, and the laptop
is running Linux Mandrake 9.0. Maybe I'll update the pictures tonight,
shall I?

Take a GOOD look at the picture of the laptop. What's that you can see
sticking out of the side of it? Well, good grief, it's the aerial of a
DWL-650!!!

You know I think maybe I'll take a picture of the laptop running Mandrake
9.0 just so you can't accuse me of lying there either.

Of course, you can't see on the TV machine downstairs the ATI graphics
card etc.

--
Pete Goodwin, running on Windows XP

Error log for Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:57:01 +0000, segfault in module "Pete
Goodwin": dump details are as follows...

Look, you poser, I don't have shit to prove to you.

Do a google search in this and other groups and see just how "insincere" I
am about helping people when I can.

Everyone I was able to assist WANTED to be helped.  You don't want help,
you never wanted help.  You just want to * and moan about things.

Your supposed video card you weren't interested in getting to work, you
just wanted to * about it not working.  What good to post here on COLA
about it not working?  Why not write the vendor?  And you know what they
would have told you?  WE HAVE RELEASED A DRIVER FOR LINUX YOU MORON!

Honestly, you have to be the most incompetant person on the planet.  I
have never heard of anyone who consistently is able to find hardware that
won't work under LGX, yet you do on a regular basis.  Yet you have NEVER
had any problems on Windows, right?

You are so full of shit I am tired of even responding to your inane
comments.  They are so ridiculously shot full of holes that it's a waste
of time pointing out what's already blaringly obvious.

From now on, since you like to whine and cry so much like a little baby, I
will just offer you a bottle.  Any further discussion is pointless.

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rapskat -  17:15:05  up 9 days,  8:28,  2 users,  load average: 1.71, 1.76, 1.70
Running LGX - Linux + GNU + XFree86: Gentoo flavored

There are many people today who literally do not have a close personal
friend.  They may know something that we don't.  They are probably
avoiding a great deal of pain.

Quote:>>>>  I also
>>>> seem to remember taking you up on your kind offer of help - then
>>>> descovering later you had no intention of doing anything of the
>>>> sort.

>>> * you Pete.

>> Charming.

>>> You want to pick on that one instance, but you neglect to mention
>>> how you wouldn't give me enough detail to do any real diagnosing of
>>> the issues. How I had to drag out of you the makes and models of the
>>> devices in question.  And how you wouldn't give me errors messages
>>> or much more than, "I plug it in and it doesn't work".

>> In the context of the EMails I sent you, I listed things in general
>> terms yes. I don't remember you ever responding to that list.

>> Perhaps you are referring to posts here in COLA? If so, I don't
>> really recall what you're talking about.

>>> And I am sure how everyone remembers how you were incapable of
>>> discerning my email address with the same simple instructions that
>>> are now in my sig.

>> So I made a mistake? That gives you the right to be insincere?

>>> Now to mention how you were *ing and moaning about how a video
>>> card that you supposedly purchased had no support for LGX, when the
>>> drivers were readily available RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SITE!
>>> Who "helped" you there and told you they were available?

>> They were *not* available when I first posted my comments. They are
>> available *now*. I just didn't check the second time I posted my
>> comments again. What am I, all knowing?

>>> You are not interested in help.  You are a liar and poser with zero
>>> credibility as far as I'm concerned.

>> You are not interested in helping certain people. You are insincere.
>> You accuse others of lying with zero proof, then when they call you
>> out, you fall down to profanity. Typical zealot response.

> Look, you poser, I don't have shit to prove to you.

So you fall back down to profanity yet again. Why am I not surprised.

Quote:> Do a google search in this and other groups and see just how
> "insincere" I am about helping people when I can.

Yet the one time I asked for help what happened. You didn't even bother
to try. You assumed I wasn't interested in getting help, based on what
you wanted to believe.

Quote:> Everyone I was able to assist WANTED to be helped.  You don't want
> help, you never wanted help.  You just want to * and moan about
> things.

Incorrect.

Quote:> Your supposed video card you weren't interested in getting to work,
> you just wanted to * about it not working.  What good to post here
> on COLA about it not working?  Why not write the vendor?  And you know
> what they would have told you?  WE HAVE RELEASED A DRIVER FOR LINUX
> YOU MORON!

Hey, like I said: THERE WAS NO LINUX DRIVER AVAILABLE FOR THE MATROX
PARHELIA WHEN I FIRST GOT IT. OK? Understand that now? Is that getting
through?

Yes I know there is one *now*.

Quote:> Honestly, you have to be the most incompetant person on the planet.  I
> have never heard of anyone who consistently is able to find hardware
> that won't work under LGX, yet you do on a regular basis.  Yet you
> have NEVER had any problems on Windows, right?

If I'm that incompetent, then how do I get Windows working? Or could it
be that Windows works for the incompetent? If *thats* true, then Linux is
truly dead, if Windows works for the incompetent!

Quote:> You are so full of shit I am tired of even responding to your inane
> comments.  They are so ridiculously shot full of holes that it's a
> waste of time pointing out what's already blaringly obvious.

Then don't bother. Why even respond to me if you think I'm "full of
shit" as you put it?

Why is it you guys fall down to the gutter when things don't go your way?

The fact is you, you loused up, you don't like it when I point this out
to you, and you make amazing claims that I had no intention of expecting
help.

YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

I *wanted* you to help me setup my system downstairs to be a TV box. But,
you made your mind up about me, DIDN'T YOU, and you left me*.

I call that insincere.

Quote:> From now on, since you like to whine and cry so much like a little
> baby, I will just offer you a bottle.  Any further discussion is
> pointless.

Yes precisely. There's no point in talking to such as you. The level of
insincerity means I can expect nothing at all.

--
Pete Goodwin, running on Windows XP

Charmed I'm sure.

Quote:> You want to pick on that one instance, but you neglect to mention how you
> wouldn't give me enough detail to do any real diagnosing of the issues.
> How I had to drag out of you the makes and models of the devices in
> question.  And how you wouldn't give me errors messages or much more than,
> "I plug it in and it doesn't work".

That's an overstatement if I ever I saw one.

Quote:> And I am sure how everyone remembers how you were incapable of discerning
> my email address with the same simple instructions that are now in my sig.

So I made a mistake? That gives you the right to be insincere?

Quote:> Now to mention how you were *ing and moaning about how a video card
> that you supposedly purchased had no support for LGX, when the drivers
> were readily available RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SITE!  Who "helped" you
> there and told you they were available?

They were *not* available last time I looked, just prior to my post.
They are available *now*.

Quote:> You are not interested in help.  You are a liar and poser with zero
> credibility as far as I'm concerned.

You are not interested in helping certain people. You are insincere. You
accuse others of lying with zero proof, then when they call you out, you
fall down to profanity. Typical zealot response.

Quote:> All of this hardware that you say you have that supposedly isn't supported
> with LGX is a bunch of baloney.  I doubt you even have any of the devices
> that you claim to have.

REALLY?

http://www.veryComputer.com/

It's a bit out of date now. The router PC box has gone (replaced by a
router/switch), the PC downstairs is running Windows XP, and the laptop
is running Linux Mandrake 9.0. I'll update the pictures tonight, shall I?

Take a GOOD look at the picture of the laptop. What's that you can see
sticking out of the side of it? Well, good grief, it's the aerial of a
DWL-650!!!

You know I think I'll take a picture of the laptop running Mandrake 9.0
just so you can't accuse me of lying there either.

STILL THINK I'M LYING RAPSKAT???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

--
Pete Goodwin, using Mozilla 1.1 on Windows 2000.
"Regrettably, this on-line Apocalyptic Travel service is not visible in
certain browsers as even the Lord doesn't have the patience to debug a
Microsoft product."

Error log for Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:37:16 +0000, segfault in module "Pete
Goodwin": dump details are as follows...

Quote:>> All of this hardware that you say you have that supposedly isn't
>> supported with LGX is a bunch of baloney.  I doubt you even have any of
>> the devices that you claim to have.

> REALLY?

> http://www.imekon.org/hardware.html

And what does this prove exactly, Pete?  I can not see what video card is
in there, I cannot see the components that you claim do not work like
those firewire devices you claim to have.

All I see is some pics of some [pretty crappy looking] comps, some
networking gear and a nice looking laptop.  So what?

How does this disprove anything I said exactly?

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rapskat -  05:22:30  up 9 days, 20:36,  2 users,  load average: 0.20, 0.24, 0.15
Running LGX - Linux + GNU + XFree86: Gentoo flavored

To the systems programmer, users and applications serve only to provide a
test load.

You want me to publish pictures of the contents of those machines?

"crappy machines"? Had to slip that little insult in there huh?

And you think it's a nice looking laptop! HAH! *s**

--
Pete Goodwin on Linux Mandrake 9.0 with KNode
"Regrettably, this on-line Apocalyptic Travel service is not visible in
certain browsers as even the Lord doesn't have the patience to debug a
Microsoft product."

I have a suggestion that both of you do a reset on this thread and start
over again, and forget everything else that has been said?

Pete: State your case, giving specific details about hardware and software
      involved and exactly what works and what does not work. Also
      state what you have done in the way of troubleshooting to solve the
      problem, and be specific.

Rappy:  You offer whatever advice you can suggest to help Pete get her system
        working under Linux and you be specific as well.

Pete:   You try the suggestions Rappy offers and report back on your findings
        and again, specifics are needed.

This method will surely waste less bandwidth in the long run than arguing over
who said what and name calling?

You might want to start a new thread on this so we can follow along because
quite honestly I am totally lost at this point.

Just a suggestion.

flatfish+++