NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Post by Dave Thol » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00



Quote:Todd Kepus writes:
>>> Serdar Yegulalp writes:
>>>> Keep in mind that it can't handle hardware for which there are no NT
>>>> drivers, of course.
>>> Wouldn't this be the same for any OS, especially OS/2?
>> Why "especially" OS/2, Todd?
> Generally because OS/2 lacks drivers for specific hardware,

NT lacks drivers for specific hardware, Todd.

Quote:> making PnP not very reliable under OS/2

How does it make PnP "not very reliable" under "especially" OS/2, given
that NT also lacks drivers for specific hardware, Todd?

Quote:> (when there is a driver, it probably will work, but
> the bigger issue for OS/2 users is '*IS* there a driver?'.

That is a bigger issue for NT as well, Todd.  What makes it
"especially" for OS/2, Todd?
 
 
 

NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Post by Dave Thol » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:Todd Kepus writes:
>>> Low and behold.  Just when you think NT didn't have PnP,
>>> IT FOUND AND INSTALLED SOFTWARE automatically for
>>> my MODEM (which was PnP).
>> It seems Jim Frost disagrees with you, Todd.
> Jim Frost can agree or disagree, and I respect his breadth
> of knowledge.

Not in this case, apparently.

Quote:> However, I quoted my source (that I read), and
> proceeded to test it out.

Not a very definitive test, Todd.

Quote:> It worked better than I thought it would.

Of course.  That's your bias at work.

Quote:> If NT *didn't* have PnP, it would not have automatically *detected*
> my MODEM (an ISA PnP card), *and* installed the drivers for it.

My modem doesn't require any additional drivers to be installed, Todd.
It uses the serial port drivers, which are part of the base operating
system.

Quote:>>> We all knew that NT already supported PCI plug-n-play.
>> Speaking for others again, I see.
> Ok, I didn't know that you didn't know that NT had PCI PnP
> capability.

Still having reading comprehension problems, Todd?  I said nothing
about you speaking for me, but rather you speaking for others.

Quote:> Most people that have used NT even a little know
> this since those cards are detected and set up automatically
> at NT install time.  

Then why didn't you know it before, Todd?  Have you used NT only a
little?

Quote:> Apparently you haven't installed NT lately or just forgot.

Wrong again, Todd.  Perhaps you should reread what Jim Frost
wrote.

Quote:>>> But, the greatest criticism has been that ISA cards aren't
>>> plug and play under NT.

>>> BUT THEY ARE,
>> Oh really?  How many modems will it recognize, Todd?
> I don't know.

I'm not surprised.

Quote:> I don't have all of the MODEMS that are produced.

You don't need to, Todd.

Quote:> But, for the one that I have, it worked.

Not much of a challenge, Todd.

Quote:>>> and it is 'in-the-box' unbeknownst to most NT users.
>> How ironic, coming from the person for whom the full window drag
>> support in Warp 4 was unbeknownst to him.
> There are many things I still don't know about Warp 4 and NT 4.0.

Yet that doesn't stop you from making claims about them.

Quote:> For example, PnP in NT.

That's not what I call PnP, Todd.

Quote:> I try to read as much as I can and find out about
> as much as I can, but learning is not a one-day process.

Then perhaps you should wait for enough days to learn about things
like full window drag before you start making incorrect claims, Todd.

Quote:> You learn more and more (hopefully) as time goes on.

You should learn before you make incorrect claims, Todd.

 
 
 

NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Post by Timothy Watso » Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:00:00



> > If NT *didn't* have PnP, it would not have automatically *detected*
> > my MODEM (an ISA PnP card), *and* installed the drivers for it.

> My modem doesn't require any additional drivers to be installed, Todd.
> It uses the serial port drivers, which are part of the base operating
> system.

Many PnP cards have PnP and non-Pnp modes. In general ,something
standard like the presence/absence of a serial port can be detected
without plug-and-play.
 
 
 

NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Post by Vinh Lu » Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:00:00


If you look int Control Panel --> Services,  under NT 4.0, you'll see a
Service called Plug
and Play.  I assume it basically does scans now and then on your system to
detect plug an play devices.  Or could it be that you have a plug and play
BIOS which assigns resources
to your devices at startup.

Whatever the case may be, NT 4.0 DOES have plug and play, but to some
degree, not
quite at the level of '95.  Then again, who wants Plug and Pray.

Regards,

Vinh Luu

 
 
 

NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Post by Philip Obbar » Sun, 14 Sep 1997 04:00:00



> If you look int Control Panel --> Services,  under NT 4.0, you'll see a
> Service called Plug
> and Play.  I assume it basically does scans now and then on your system to
> detect plug an play devices.  Or could it be that you have a plug and play
> BIOS which assigns resources
> to your devices at startup.

But, by default, Plug-n-Play is NOT enabled in NT4. You need to manually
enable it, despite the fact that the Plug-n-Play service appears to be
running. It is not.

To see what I mean: Check your Devices icon in the Control Panel. Scroll
through the list until you find "isapnp", and then try to activate it.
This will fail. In order to activate it, you need to find the Isapnp
folder on your NT CD, right-click the INF file in the same folder, and
choose "Install".

By doing this, I managed to get my copy of NT4 Plug-and-Playing fairly
well - NT found my pnp modem and my joystick controller. On the down
side, I don't know how to *uninstall* the driver if something went
wrong, although I assume I could stop it by shutting off the service?

I'll be interested to see how NT5 can seamlessly integrate PNP without
endangering the stability of the machine.

Philip
...who wishes he knew as much as about OS/2 as he does about NT!

 
 
 

1. NT 4.0 Plug-n-Play ? YES!

Low and behold.  Just when you think NT didn't have PnP,
IT FOUND AND INSTALLED SOFTWARE automatically for
my MODEM (which was PnP).

We all knew that NT already supported PCI plug-n-play.

But, the greatest criticism has been that ISA cards aren't
plug and play under NT.

BUT THEY ARE, and it is 'in-the-box' unbeknownst to
most NT users.

From 'Windows NT Magazine':

"Although Microsoft buried the option, a PnP driver is available on the NT
4.0
Server and Workstation CD.  Using NT Explorer, go to the \DRVLIB\PNPISA\X86

directory on the NT 4.0 CD-ROM and find the PNPISA.INF file.  If you
right-click this file, NT gives you the option to install Pnpisa ...  After
you
install the file and reboot your machine, NT automatically enables the PnP
service."

Suffice to say, it worked!

I guess they were already getting some options ready for NT 5.0.

(By the way, developers will get NT 5.0 sometime in September,
according to the latest public dev. news)

-Todd K.

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