ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by jackg.. » Mon, 28 Aug 1995 04:00:00




Quote:>Just thought I'd pop in here to laugh at some of the silly statements OS/2
>advocates were making in here about 6 months ago.
>Open your eyes, take a look at reality.  Windows is the future, like it or
>not.  Do something about it.

One sometimes see in investment offerings or adverts the phrase
"Past performance is no guarantee of future results". I will not attempt
to reiterate that the technical and economic circumstances that made
Windows 3.0 a success in 1990 are no longer present in 1995; it has
been done better at the following URL:

http://pclt.cis.yale.edu/pclt/default.htm

One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country of
plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The local
papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor reported
200 inquiries resulting in 2 sales. I also read an account from elsewhere in
the country of a store that opened at 12:05 AM 8/24 with numerous specials,
including 4 meg SIMMs for $95 and 2X CDROM drives for $59. As was related,
people were loading up on drives and memory, but the end of the day came
with only 20 copies of Win '95 sold.

Why might this be? Certainly, the bad reports during the betas haven't helped,
and one might also consider the numerous "wait until later, when the bugs are
shaken out" assessments from everything from local media to Gartner Group,
the latter a bit of surprise given that in recent years GG has moved from
being IBM's lapdog to Microsoft's. Lapdog is a polite substitute for wh_r_,
of course :-).

Another factor that may have some bearing is that exposure to the Internet has
caused users to realize that the state of the art in technology is quite a bit
beyond the increasingly quaint-looking Microsoft desktop. Quite a few folks
have used things such as the Mac or X-Windows in their work, and the notion
that GUI is commodity doesn't do much towards creating a preference for
the MS products.

Another factor is that the considerable limitiations of the Windows platform
in networked client-server business use are all too well recognized by firms
who have struggled valiantly ( and expensively ) to stabilize a product that
Microsoft failed to service with bugfixes and such, in complete contrast to
"serious business" vendors such as Novell, IBM, Digital, and so on. "It's
shrink wrap, take it or leave it" just doesn't fly in even the most moderately
complex commercial environments.

The latter has resulted in the banning of Windows '95 in many firms, at least
for the time being. The firm for which I work in fact has banned the product
due to concerns about impact on existing applications and unknown but
possibly open-ended support costs - Windows 3.0 was a complete nightmare
from a support and reliability perspective, tragically expensive to operate, such
that the low initial cost of the software and PCs to run it were completely
swamped out by the cost of constantly fixing something that couldn't really be
fixed. When 3.1 proved to be mostly minor bug fixes, some new cosmetics, and
a pass through a better optimizing C compiler, the name "Windows" became
associated with the phrase "terminally evolved".

The large installed base of Windows has often been attributed to have such
momentum that nothing can change it. What we may be seeing is that the
large installed base indeed has considerable inertia due to such economic
factors as described above, and that changing it overnight just ain't gonna
happen.

Finally, the business of MS saying "just wait, it's gonna be great" in the
NT and '95 pre-release publicity has perhaps worn too thin. I used to hear
the "it's gonna be great" joke about IBM, I now hear it about MS. The
similarity between the MS efforts in the 90's to proprietize customer
environments and paralyze them with FUD and the ultimately failed
efforts of IBM to do the same in the 70's and 80's is most striking.

At the consumer level, the high-intensity hype radiating from MS over the
last couple of years has bred a cynicism towards the computing industry that
in the past has been characteristic of consumer attitudes towards carnival
barkers and used-car salesman. You've probably heard the joke by now "What's
the difference between a used-car salesman and a computer salesman? The
used-car salesman KNOWS he lying".

Notwithstanding marketing demographics suggesting that Americans desparately
want to be part of a herd, the desire to not be hurt may be stronger. Perhaps
NT will evolve into something worthwhile.

By the way, for what it's worth, I've been running OS/2 and Linux exclusively
on my home system for a couple of years now, use Warp Connect at work in
order to get the most in compatibility with the heterogenous systems
environment I support ( mainframes, Unix, Netware, several RDBMS's,
plenty of Windows PCs, and just about every protocol on the network you
can name ), and I intend to take a look at NT Desktop this month, but
Windows '95? Don't waste my time.

Windows 95 - "If God had not meant for them to be shorn,
                  he would not have made them sheep"

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Mike Kenn » Mon, 28 Aug 1995 04:00:00


[ good stuff deleted ]

Quote:>At the consumer level, the high-intensity hype radiating from MS over the
>last couple of years has bred a cynicism towards the computing industry that
>in the past has been characteristic of consumer attitudes towards carnival
>barkers and used-car salesman. You've probably heard the joke by now "What's
>the difference between a used-car salesman and a computer salesman? The
>used-car salesman KNOWS he lying".

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, and the used-car salesman probably knows how to use the product
he's selling :-).

--
Mike Kenney


 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Jim William » Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:00:00



>One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country of
>plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The local
>papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor reported
>200 inquiries resulting in 2 sales. I also read an account from elsewhere in
>the country of a store that opened at 12:05 AM 8/24 with numerous specials,
>including 4 meg SIMMs for $95 and 2X CDROM drives for $59. As was related,
>people were loading up on drives and memory, but the end of the day came
>with only 20 copies of Win '95 sold.

Anybody know when and where some real statistics can be found on Win95
sales?

(I'm just hoping for the, ummm... *best*...:)

--
Jim Williams.

Find a Linux/GNU User Group near you: http://www.tiac.net/users/williams/lugnuts/

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Craig Williams » Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:00:00





>>One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country of
>>plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The local
>>papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor reported
>>200 inquiries resulting in 2 sales. I also read an account from elsewhere in
>>the country of a store that opened at 12:05 AM 8/24 with numerous specials,
>>including 4 meg SIMMs for $95 and 2X CDROM drives for $59. As was related,
>>people were loading up on drives and memory, but the end of the day came
>>with only 20 copies of Win '95 sold.

>Anybody know when and where some real statistics can be found on Win95
>sales?

How many people just mail ordered their copy and had it delivered to their
door on Aug. 24?  I think a good many did that.  I know I did.

Craig

                                           "Excuse me.  But if you're God,
-Craig Williamson                            Why do you need a starship?"


 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Spurlo » Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:00:00



: >Just thought I'd pop in here to laugh at some of the silly statements OS/2
: >advocates were making in here about 6 months ago.
: >Open your eyes, take a look at reality.  Windows is the future, like it or
: >not.  Do something about it.

: One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country of
: plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The local
: papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor reported
: 200 inquiries resulting in 2 sales. I also read an account from elsewhere in
: the country of a store that opened at 12:05 AM 8/24 with numerous specials,
: including 4 meg SIMMs for $95 and 2X CDROM drives for $59. As was related,
: people were loading up on drives and memory, but the end of the day came
: with only 20 copies of Win '95 sold.

Well, according to a news report on one of our Austin TV stations, a
store opened at 12:00 am August 24th here in town.  The Win95 CD-ROM
copies were sold out by 2:00 am, the floppy versions lasted until 4:00
am.  

: At the consumer level, the high-intensity hype radiating from MS over the
: last couple of years has bred a cynicism towards the computing industry that
: in the past has been characteristic of consumer attitudes towards carnival
: barkers and used-car salesman. You've probably heard the joke by now "What's
: the difference between a used-car salesman and a computer salesman? The
: used-car salesman KNOWS he lying".

My favorite is the one about the fortunate computer salesman who had a *
for an older brother.  It gave him someone to look up to...

--shrEd--

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Arthur D. Jeriji » Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:00:00


[ ... ]

Quote:> The latter has resulted in the banning of Windows '95 in many firms, at least
> for the time being. The firm for which I work in fact has banned the product
> due to concerns about impact on existing applications and unknown but
> possibly open-ended support costs - Windows 3.0 was a complete nightmare
> from a support and reliability perspective, tragically expensive to operate, such
> that the low initial cost of the software and PCs to run it were completely
> swamped out by the cost of constantly fixing something that couldn't really be
> fixed. When 3.1 proved to be mostly minor bug fixes, some new cosmetics, and
> a pass through a better optimizing C compiler, the name "Windows" became
> associated with the phrase "terminally evolved".

        Sorry to be off the topic, but can anyone figure out why MS
decided to call Win3.1 an "operating system" instead of a "graphical
environment", which is a more appropriate term used for Win3.0?


 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by A. Wes O'Ne » Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:00:00





>>One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country
of
>>plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The
local
>>papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor
reported
>>200 inquiries resulting in 2 sales. I also read an account from
elsewhere in
>>the country of a store that opened at 12:05 AM 8/24 with numerous
specials,
>>including 4 meg SIMMs for $95 and 2X CDROM drives for $59. As was
related,
>>people were loading up on drives and memory, but the end of the day
came
>>with only 20 copies of Win '95 sold.

>Anybody know when and where some real statistics can be found on Win95
>sales?

>(I'm just hoping for the, ummm... *best*...:)

The store I think he was referring to was CompUSA.  They had the
specials he listed advertised.  The specials were only available
to the people that bought Win95 (i.e. you had to have the box in
hand with a receipt before you could purchase the other items) so
I don't believe the statement that only a few copies sold is
correct.  The line at the CompUSA store that I got my copy was
very, very long (at least in the hundreds) and when I left (at
12:30am), the people were still pouring in.  Sorry but I don't have
any real statistics though.

  Wes

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Curtis Bas » Wed, 30 Aug 1995 04:00:00



-- snip --

Quote:>The store I think he was referring to was CompUSA.  They had the
>specials he listed advertised.  The specials were only available

                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Quote:>to the people that bought Win95 (i.e. you had to have the box in

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quote:>hand with a receipt before you could purchase the other items)

-- snip --

Quote:>  Wes

So, what you are saying is that people had to be BRIBED into
buying Win95!! This is absolutely hilarious! I mean, I would
even buy it if it opened the door to fifty-buck CD-ROM drives
(or whatever). It would make a dandy coaster for my coffee!

Frankly, I find this kinda hard to swallow. Isn't it illegal
in the U.S. to offer sales only to certain customers?? Isn't
the requirement of buying Win95 a form of discrimination?

I honestly don't know, but it seems kind of shady to me.
But then, we ARE talking about Microsoft, yes??

--
"I can't believe I waste my valuable    Curtis Bass
time with you guys."                    Software Systems Specialist II
Brian Sturgill -- c.o.o.a.              University of Texas Medical Branch
August 26, 1995

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by jackg.. » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00






>>>One thing that is interesting are the reports from around the country
>of
>>>plenty of first-day interest but lackluster sales of Win '95. The
>local
>>>papers have reported this from numerous stores; one proprietor
>The store I think he was referring to was CompUSA.  They had the
>specials he listed advertised.  The specials were only available
>to the people that bought Win95 (i.e. you had to have the box in
>hand with a receipt before you could purchase the other items) so

I'll leave it to the buyer to do the arithmetic and/or weigh the value,
as always, but, true story, around about 1988-89 or so I was part of
the purchase of OS/2 copies that never made it out of shrinkwrap, as
they included significant discounts on memory from IBM, which was used
to populate Netware 286 file servers. Just sound cost management, you
understand.

*-----------------------------------------------*


Windows 95 - 'In the marketplace of ideas, some shall only buy retail".

 
 
 

ZD says 'Goodbye Win95'

Post by Allan Ke » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00



:>   Sorry to be off the topic, but can anyone figure out why MS
:>decided to call Win3.1 an "operating system" instead of a "graphical
:>environment", which is a more appropriate term used for Win3.0?

Probably for the same reasons they call Win95 a 32 Bit operating
system :-).
Regards, Allan

 
 
 

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