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by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:20:26

As of 6PM Central time this evening, Download.com is reporting:

829,704 downloads of Redhat 8.0
478,145 downloads of Mandrake 9.0.
138,894 downloads of SUSE 8.1

That is over 1.5 MILLION downloads of Linux. While it may take
more than one download to get a good ISO, especially if it is done
from a crashing Windows machine, one download may also be used for
more than one install.

Nobody

by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:27:33

Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
dollars.

Some of those downloads are going to be used as servers as well. Did you
know that Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server is priced at $3999. Ouch
!

Just wait until Linux really takes off.

Nobody

by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:31:16

re:"And not every install will actually be used for more than 5
minutes."

Being a Linux advocate, I think this gentleman meant to say that, unlike
Windows, they will run for more than 5 minutes without crashing.

Nobody

by **Nigerian 41** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:40:41

Quote:> Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

> 1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
> dollars.

And that 750 million will stimulate the economy versus doing nothing. I
can't wait until the farmers open source food.

Quote:
> Some of those downloads are going to be used as servers as well. Did you
> know that Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server is priced at $3999. Ouch

Seems expensive for the casual user that like playing around with stuff as
most linux users do. On the other hand, the project or application that
actually requires the use of Advanced server will cost many times more.
$4000 is nothing in the scheme of hardware that could run $100,000 or more
plus programmer time.

The cost of the actual OS is a non-factor for almost everything. TCO is so
much more than the initial acquisition cost of the OS. Linux might have
lower TCO, but if it is only by $4000 it isn't enough. My fibre channel
array ran 50k, like I will worry about saving 4k in the scheme of things.

by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:45:04

> begin On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:27:33 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

>>1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
>>dollars.

> That's assuming that every download equals a copy of XP and
> Office that would have been bought but aren't any more
> because of this download.

Like anyone would buy XP and Office after downloading and installing
Linux.

by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:56:37

>> Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

>> 1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
>> dollars.
> And that 750 million will stimulate the economy versus doing nothing. I
> can't wait until the farmers open source food.

Yes, it will stimulate the economy. Not paying for XP and Office is like
getting a tax break. People will take the money they would have spent on
XP and Office and spend it elsewhere, like on processors or WiFi or LCD
monitors, etc.

Quote:>> Some of those downloads are going to be used as servers as well. Did you
>> know that Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server is priced at $3999. Ouch

> Seems expensive for the casual user that like playing around with stuff as
> most linux users do.

Who said these downloaders were casual users ? There are 30+ million linux
servers in use according to the stats. Some of these are going to be
server boxes.

On the other hand, the project or application that

Quote:> actually requires the use of Advanced server will cost many times more.

Maybe, maybe not. Anything that needs load sharing or clustering uses
Advanced Server. That can be anything from serving a high volume website
to advanced business transaction processing.

Remember that is $4,000 PER COMPUTER. Thus if you've got a cluster of 16
computers, that is $64,000. That is not chump change. Remember also that
2000 Server only runs on Intel boxes. There aren't too many Intel boxes
that cost more than $4000 each these days. Ie OS cost is roughly equal to
the hardware cost in these applications.

Remember also that these costs aren't including SEAT LICENSES NOR DATABASE
MANAGERS. Those are extra.

Quote:> $4000 is nothing in the scheme of hardware that could run $100,000 or more
> plus programmer time.

Lets assume a 16 node cluster. 16 high end PCs would be $64,000 for
software alone. The hardware cost would be about $80,000. Saving $64,000
on OSes alone is a big saving. Furthermore with Linux you can run on Suns
or IBM servers.

Quote:> The cost of the actual OS is a non-factor for almost everything.

Not so.

TCO is so much more than the initial acquisition cost of the OS. Linux might have

Quote:> lower TCO, but if it is only by $4000 it isn't enough.

In our 16 PC cluster, the savings would be enough to hire a full time
administrator for a whole year ! Throw in the fact that the Linux servers
are bulletproof and easy to administer and it looks like a brain dead
decision.

My fibre channel

Quote:> array ran 50k, like I will worry about saving 4k in the scheme of things.

It takes a lot of servers to keep a fibre array full of data. Me thinks
you are full of shit talking about a fibre array, calling it yours and
then discussing only one OS ! $4K is for one computer. Are your computers
running Server 2000 ? How many copies did YOU buy ?

Besides, who wants to waste money.

by **Mark** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:57:22

> begin On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:45:04 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,

> >> That's assuming that every download equals a copy of XP and
> >> Office that would have been bought but aren't any more
> >> because of this download.

> >Like anyone would buy XP and Office after downloading and installing
> >Linux.

> Like anyone could feasibly replace them with a copy of
> Linux.

But they have.

--
Mark p

Support MS in the battle against software piricy-use alternative software!
(PS I'm not a wintroll or a linonut. Just trying to get the most out o my
humble beast)

by **Nobod** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:58:43

> begin On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:45:04 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>> That's assuming that every download equals a copy of XP and
>>> Office that would have been bought but aren't any more
>>> because of this download.

>>Like anyone would buy XP and Office after downloading and installing
>>Linux.

> Like anyone could feasibly replace them with a copy of
> Linux.

I think it is time you pulled your head out of the sand. RH 8 and
Mandrake 9 are very easy feasible replacements for XP and Office. I'm
personally running them now. FURTHERMORE, RH is shipping 8.1 in March and
something they are calling the enterprize desktop in August. Look out !

It is quite easy to be a Linux advocate these days.

by **RonB** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 04:52:00

> begin On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:20:26 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,

>>As of 6PM Central time this evening, Download.com is reporting:

>>829,704 downloads of Redhat 8.0
>>478,145 downloads of Mandrake 9.0.
>>138,894 downloads of SUSE 8.1

>>That is over 1.5 MILLION downloads of Linux. While it may take
>>more than one download to get a good ISO, especially if it is done

>>from a crashing Windows machine, one download may also be used for

>>more than one install.

> And not every install will actually be used for more than 5
> minutes.

Still, a *lot* of downloads of Linux from *one* site, eh?

--
RonB
(using Lycoris Linux and Mozilla)

by **Iain D Broadfoo** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:26:34

Nigerian said something about Re: More than 1.5 million Linux downloads on Download.com:

>> Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

>> 1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
>> dollars.
> And that 750 million will stimulate the economy versus doing nothing. I
> can't wait until the farmers open source food.

what do people do with the money they save? burn it?

iggerant-ass dummy...

if they _spend_ it, it doesn't really matter what they spend it on, now
does it?

iain

--
wh33, y1p33 3tc.

by **Smart on** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:38:13

Quote:> Not to mention there are 7 RH CD's, 3 Mandrake CD's and 1 SuSE CD (Live
> Eval).
> Do they count each CD?

The Redhat download size is listed as 1.25 GB ie the whole set. The
download numbers are for the whole set, not each CD.

by **RonB** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:40:56

>>As of 6PM Central time this evening, Download.com is reporting:

>>829,704 downloads of Redhat 8.0
>>478,145 downloads of Mandrake 9.0.
>>138,894 downloads of SUSE 8.1

>>That is over 1.5 MILLION downloads of Linux. While it may take
>>more than one download to get a good ISO, especially if it is done

>>from a crashing Windows machine, one download may also be used for

>>more than one install.

>>Nobody

> And 95 percent of them will end up in the garbage after the users take one
> look at Linux.

Repeat this only *one* download site, there are many others. This does
not include nearly all the Linux distributions (or even other releases
of the above distributions), nor does it take into account multiple
installs from the same download. The Lycoris Linux CD that I burned from
an linuxiso.org site was used for the install on this computer, and has
already been used for another install on my brother's computer and a
copy is going to my Dad tomorrow.

--
RonB
(using Lycoris Linux and Mozilla)

by **Mark** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 05:44:33

> >>As of 6PM Central time this evening, Download.com is reporting:

> >>829,704 downloads of Redhat 8.0
> >>478,145 downloads of Mandrake 9.0.
> >>138,894 downloads of SUSE 8.1

> >>That is over 1.5 MILLION downloads of Linux. While it may take
> >>more than one download to get a good ISO, especially if it is done

> >>from a crashing Windows machine, one download may also be used for

> >>more than one install.

> >>Nobody

> > And 95 percent of them will end up in the garbage after the users take one
> > look at Linux.

> Repeat this only *one* download site, there are many others. This does
> not include nearly all the Linux distributions (or even other releases
> of the above distributions), nor does it take into account multiple
> installs from the same download. The Lycoris Linux CD that I burned from
> an linuxiso.org site was used for the install on this computer, and has
> already been used for another install on my brother's computer and a
> copy is going to my Dad tomorrow.

> --
> RonB
> (using Lycoris Linux and Mozilla)

The gumbies don't seem to understand that.

--
Mark p

Support MS in the battle against software piricy-use alternative software!
(PS I'm not a wintroll or a linonut. Just trying to get the most out o my
humble beast)

by **Sinister Midge** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:55:19

>>> Another way to think of this is by how much money MSoft is losing:

>>> 1.5 milion downloads x ($200 for XP + $300 for office) = $750 million
>>> dollars.
>> And that 750 million will stimulate the economy versus doing nothing. I
>> can't wait until the farmers open source food.

> Yes, it will stimulate the economy. Not paying for XP and Office is like
> getting a tax break. People will take the money they would have spent on
> XP and Office and spend it elsewhere, like on processors or WiFi or LCD
> monitors, etc.

Or food or clothing or shelter or faster internet access or vacations
or gifts or better transportation or braces or charity or..........or
anything except the $MONOPOLY black hole.

--
I use Linux because I've used Windows.

by **Charlie Eber** » Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:59:07

> As of 6PM Central time this evening, Download.com is reporting:

> 829,704 downloads of Redhat 8.0
> 478,145 downloads of Mandrake 9.0.
> 138,894 downloads of SUSE 8.1

> That is over 1.5 MILLION downloads of Linux. While it may take
> more than one download to get a good ISO, especially if it is done
> from a crashing Windows machine, one download may also be used for
> more than one install.

> Nobody

I think everybody is overlooking the obvious here.

This gentlemen is refering to the reports of just {1} site!!!

There are hundreds of servers you can download Linux from.

And then there are the network installs which don't require CD's such
as Debian.

I think if you look at the sheer volume of downloads of Linux, the
end is in site for MS.

Charlie