The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

Post by cybea » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:00:52



Ahhh, the pointy haired managers make life miserable for the techies again!

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci886...

"Charged with implementing an application server that ran on both Linux and
Windows 2000, webmaster Joe Sechman immediately chose Linux. Unfortunately,
Sechman, who works for a large organization he preferred not to name,
couldn't persuade his company's executives to back his choice. Instead,
they decided to play it "safe" with Windows 2000. Then Sechman and his
company -- which remains anonymous in this Q&A interview -- suffered the
consequences of making the wrong choice."

 
 
 

The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

Post by rapska » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:19:44


Error log for Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:58:33 +0000: segfault in module flatfis
- dump details are as follows...

Quote:> <snip rant>

I guess you feel pretty strongly about this, eh flatty?

The thing you forget is that all you have to do with your post is swap
"Linux" with "Windows" and go back a generation and these are the *exact*
same arguments that were used against Windows in the Enterprise.

Back then, corporations took a chance on something new, and look where
they are now.

Now, we are on the Dawn of the Windows Era, and there is something new
that is making advances in leaps and bounds throughout the industry much
in the same way that Windows did back in the 80's.

My only concern is whether the OSS community will be able to handle the
inevitable success.

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The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

Post by Peter ColonM » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:29:54


Very good advice.  They have no sense of life in IT.
 
 
 

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Post by cybea » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:38:01




>>Ahhh, the pointy haired managers make life miserable for the techies
>>again!

>>http://www.veryComputer.com/,289202,sid39_gci886...

>>"Charged with implementing an application server that ran on both Linux
>>and Windows 2000, webmaster Joe Sechman immediately chose Linux.
>>Unfortunately, Sechman, who works for a large organization he preferred
>>not to name, couldn't persuade his company's executives to back his
>>choice. Instead, they decided to play it "safe" with Windows 2000. Then
>>Sechman and his company -- which remains anonymous in this Q&A interview
>>-- suffered the consequences of making the wrong choice."

> It's only idiots like you and linonut, sinister midget and couple of other
> blind asses zealots that simply just don't get it.

Hmm, Nothing in respose to the article I posted here. Just personal insults.
Your right, I don't get what this has to do with the post you are
responding to.

Quote:

> This is what solidifies the fact that most of you have never really worked
> in I/T in the real world.

Hmm, Nothing in response to the article I posted here. Just lies about my
professional qualifications. I have indeed worked as a technical
professional for many years. But you are right, I don't get what this has
to do with the post your are responding to.

Quote:> Sure you know the buzz words and might be cable pullers but you really
> have no clue as to how the business model really works.

> Things like submitting resume's using unknown's like OO and expecting the
> recruiters to convert your formats to the format specified show your
> obvious ignorance in the field.

I know OO quite well. It has worked on every version of MS software that can
read RTF files. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with the
post your are responding to.

Quote:> I'll give you a very important lesson and that is it does not matter which
> OS is better, but as far as YOUR job is concerned what matters is what
> YOUR boss thinks of YOU.

Yep. That's why I love Linux. My boss thinks I am a hero. Cutting downtime,
unexpected disruptions and costs. Yep, my boss thinks I am a hero. But you
are right, I don't get what this has to do with the post your are
responding to.

Quote:> IOW suggesting Linux in an all MS shop is suicide unless you have every
> intention of backing up and more importantly proving your claims in terms
> of dollars and cents.

Been there, done that. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do
with the post your are responding to.

Quote:

> And even then, what do you get?

A raise. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with the post
your are responding to.

Quote:

> A pat on the back for saving the company millions in revenue due to
> license fees?

A raise. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with the post
your are responding to.

Quote:

> So what?
> What do YOU get out of it?

A raise. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with the post
your are responding to.

Quote:

> More importantly what happens when Microsoft/Solaris/Sun etc sends in
> their big guns to battle you?

Who cares. I've done my homework and I know what I am doing. I have already
survived such *s from IBM and Cysco.  But you are right, I don't get
what this has to do with the post your are responding to.

Quote:

> Can you handle it?

Already have for other choices. But you are right, I don't get what this has
to do with the post your are responding to.

Quote:

> If not you are gone.

But I can, so I stay and I get raises. My bosses have known that I am not a
sheep that installs stuff from the biggest just because theya are the
biggest. My bosses know that I install the best because it is the best and
I am willing to take the heat from the bigboys. But you are right, I don't
get what this has to do with the post your are responding to.

Quote:

> And all of this to promote Linux?
> Thanks but no thanks, I would prefer to keep my job instead of making a
> political point that may explode in my face.

No, All this to get the right tool for the job. There by keeping my job and
getting raises.  But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with
the post your are responding to.

Quote:> Thankfully I left corporate America back in the 1980's, but little has
> changed since then except for the fact that I/T people are driving taxi
> cabs to make ends meet.

Then you admit you are the one that has no recent experience in the IT
world. Things have changed in the IT world since the 80's. People who were
inflexable and did not changed with it are driving taxies or left the IT
world in the 1980's. But you are right, I don't get what this has to do
with the post your are responding to.

Quote:> Linonut/cybear/sinister midget and others prove that they don't work in
> the field everyday by virtue of their idiotic statements.

> My advice is stay in school and take up space.

Not in school.  But you are right, I don't get what this has to do with the
post your are responding to.

Not one reasoned response to the actual article. Just a big flame from a
person that hasn't worked in a professional IT department in the last 20
years!

 
 
 

The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

Post by Jeff » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:08:50


Hey flathead please post your resume and qualification for us! :) This
should be funny! :)

 
 
 

The "safe" choice (w2K) the wrong choice...

Post by Clem Kadiddlehoppe » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 04:54:33



Quote:> Very good advice.  They have no sense of life in IT.

Wowie! What joy: annudder AOLer!

You need to get something that quotes things so you can pretend to have
something to say about something somebody said.

 
 
 

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Post by Spiceru » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:17:08


On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:08:50 -0700, Jeff revealed:


> Hey flathead please post your resume and qualification for us! :) This
> should be funny! :)

It is amazing of all the things flatty claims he can do.  IT god, CTO,
VLSI designer, Buzz Word Quoter, Graphite Dot Maker, Defier of Carpal
Tunnel Syndrom, and able to post on the internet 24 hours a day.

Wonder who flatty really works for.  ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:51:32





>>Hey flathead please post your resume and qualification for us! :) This
>>should be funny! :)

> It's blank.

Just like your knowledge of the IT industry.

Quote:

> Unlike you idiots, I bought property in NY years ago and watched it
> appreciate.

Well good for you and one less idiot out there in the work force.

Quote:

> IOW I don't have to work another day in my life, and I am only 43yo.

> What a joy!

Just what I thought clueless with nothing better to do with his time.
 
 
 

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Post by Spiceru » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:18:57


On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:29:54 +0000, Peter ColonMan revealed:

Quote:> They have no sense of life in IT.

You have no signs of life or IT. <EOM>
 
 
 

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Post by GreyClou » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 05:55:21




> >Error log for Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:58:33 +0000: segfault in module flatfis
> >- dump details are as follows...

> >> <snip rant>

> >I guess you feel pretty strongly about this, eh flatty?

> I was schooled in the field, brought up in the business and saw the
> computer room go from glass house to what it is now so I do know what I am
> talking about and I can spot a phoney a mile away, and that includes paper
> MSCE's.

I know.  Been thru it all.  One phoney I know was consulting
for banks.  After a few snafus he was working at a car wash.

Quote:> >The thing you forget is that all you have to do with your post is swap
> >"Linux" with "Windows" and go back a generation and these are the *exact*
> >same arguments that were used against Windows in the Enterprise.

> This is a true statement and in fact if you research the original IBM PC
> you will find that IBM never thought it would be a hit.

Actually, I thought at the beginning that the PC was only an
improved form of Apple II.  Take a look at the slot
layouts.  But the name IBM sure put the S100 bus companies
out of business in a hurry.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:> >Back then, corporations took a chance on something new, and look where
> >they are now.

> Some did and some didn't.
> Some took chances and almost died, Xerox for example.

> >Now, we are on the Dawn of the Windows Era, and there is something new
> >that is making advances in leaps and bounds throughout the industry much
> >in the same way that Windows did back in the 80's.

> I won't argue that point.
> >My only concern is whether the OSS community will be able to handle the
> >inevitable success.

> Personally I don't think the OSS community at large can manage it's own
> bowels let alone an OS that is taking off.

> The only thing going for OSS is the fact that companies like IBM are giving
> the movement some sort of credibility because without big guns like that OS
> would be dead before it even started because most people are not interested
> in programs conjured up in some pimple faced kids ba*t unless they are
> truly unique and different and copy cat programs that do a bad job of
> mimicking Windows programs don't count.

I still think that IBM has a few grudges against M$.
 
 
 

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Post by Jeff » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:07:55



> It is amazing of all the things flatty claims he can do.  IT god, CTO,
> VLSI designer, Buzz Word Quoter, Graphite Dot Maker, Defier of Carpal
> Tunnel Syndrom, and able to post on the internet 24 hours a day.

> Wonder who flatty really works for.  ;-)

Na he is just a wannabe that made a little cash off of real-estate and now
has nothing better to do with his time. He lives in his own little fantasy
world pretending to be someone he is not.
 
 
 

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Post by Erik Funkenbusc » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:06:43



> Ahhh, the pointy haired managers make life miserable for the techies again!

> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/qna/0,289202,sid39_gci886...

> "Charged with implementing an application server that ran on both Linux and
> Windows 2000, webmaster Joe Sechman immediately chose Linux. Unfortunately,
> Sechman, who works for a large organization he preferred not to name,
> couldn't persuade his company's executives to back his choice. Instead,
> they decided to play it "safe" with Windows 2000. Then Sechman and his
> company -- which remains anonymous in this Q&A interview -- suffered the
> consequences of making the wrong choice."

So, a nameless company running a nameless product suffers "the
consequences" which are not named.  The best he can do is talk about what
"may" have happened, which sounds a lot more like him predicting what
*could* happen rather than what did.

I fail to see how any magazine could publish this when nothing is
verified.

 
 
 

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Post by Jeff » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:33:08



> I fail to see how any magazine could publish this when nothing is
> verified.

Like Micro*every has any verification!!! :) Haaaaaaaaa!! Hey where is
their verification on their "TCO" study? Erwik you are full of shit buddy.
 
 
 

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Post by Erik Funkenbusc » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:44:57




>> I fail to see how any magazine could publish this when nothing is
>> verified.

> Like Micro*every has any verification!!! :) Haaaaaaaaa!! Hey where is
> their verification on their "TCO" study? Erwik you are full of shit buddy.

Are you 12 years old?
 
 
 

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Post by Donn Mille » Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:03:32



> It's only idiots like you and linonut, sinister midget and couple of other
> blind asses zealots that simply just don't get it.

I may not agree with everything you say, but you do make some good
points sometimes.  For all this talk about how unstable and crappy
Windows is, I'm still waiting for my beta evaluation copy of Windows
.NET 2003 Server (or is that 2003 Server .NET?) to crash.  It hasn't
happened yet.  I hate to admit it, but this is one stable mofo on my
laptop.  Granted, it's still pitiful as a server, but as a desktop, it's
not too bad.  Now, certain things about its memory management does leave
some things to be desired, but that's another story.

All the hatred in the world of Microsoft doesn't change the fact that MS
does do some things right.  And IBM were the *s of the world for
how long, and drove DEC right out of business, as well as one or two
other companies with THEIR big, bad monopoly.  So why should I love IBM
and hate MS all of a sudden?  There's always going to be companies like
Microsoft.

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